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L&FP, 71: The island of function, fitness peak trap

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We have been using a 3-D printer-constructor formalism, and now we can use it to see how hill climbing leads to local trapping.

Again, the core formalism:

Now, let us modify by allowing some sort of local random mutation to d(E) case by case within an n-run, now seen as a generation, so E1 to En are all incrementally different, and in effect are a ring around E in a fitness landscape. From this, we can see a survival filter that on average selects for superior performance. This leads, naturally to hill-climbing, perhaps even to several related peaks in a chain on an island of function. But now, we see:

Algorithmic hill-climbing first requires a hill . . .

Here, we see that hill climbing leads to peak trapping, as at A B or C, any change trend is downhill. Ruggedness of a fitness landscape counts, and not for the notion that hill climbing explains evolutionary advance.

No, it gets more complicated, once we realise that complex, information rich functionally specific organisation is a fine tuning phenomenon. That is, we now have the challenge of island hopping across seas of non function:

So, absent injection of active information . . . contrivance . . . there is a “natural, blind, needle in haystack search”challenge to create novel body plans. Where, if “natural selection” is acceptable, plainly so is “natural . . . search.”

This of course feeds back to getting TO the beaches of an island of function. So, we have the natural search problem in focus, once FSCO/I and fine tuned organisation are recognised.

For this, there has been much distraction and dismissiveness over the years [often, pretending hyperskeptically that FSCO/I is ill conceived], but no cogent answer, nor is there any good reason to believe in a vast continent of incrementally accessible functional forms from a last universal unicellular common ancestral form, traversing the tree of life believed to be ancestrally formed. Indeed, this brings to the surface the systematic pattern of gaps, sudden appearances and disappearances that are the trade secret of paleontology.

So, local trapping and need to arrive at shorelines of function by blind “natural . . . search” are significant challenges. Where, intentional injection of active information by intelligently directed configuration, absent ideological imposition, is a very good explanation for, say, the subtleties of a Dragonfly’s wing, including up to 25% speed improvement from flutter-reducing stigma on the leading edge of the wing . . . as obvious a case of subtle fine tuning as one may wish for:

And, so forth. END

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Jerry Do you have a link to the Behe, Meyers and Maddox discussion? Thanks....chuckdarwin
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My apologies for the formatting of my comment at 86. I noticed the mess right after I posted it but when I tried to correct it, UD was down.Ford Prefect
April 6, 2023
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What is currently being taught in most schools is based on fairly current research.
Nonsense. There is no basis for what is being taught. That is obvious.jerry
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Kairosfocus writes:
AF, you continue to skip the core issues as were again highlighted, 1: differential reproductive success is necessarily a subtracter of information rather than a source;
It is both. You should read up on meiosis, inversions, duplications, etc. that occur during reproduction.
the claimed source is incremental chance variation, which means
So? “The source of genetic variation in a population is mutation. Mutation rates in humans have been estimated to be on the order of 10?4 to 10?6 per gene per generation. The rate of nucleotide substitutions is estimated to be 1 in 108 per generation, implying that 30 nucleotide mutations would be expected in each human gamete.” <blockquote<2: hill climbing and issues such as peak trapping and need to cross to other hills are not properly solved, Strawman mischaracterization if his evolution works. Your cherished “islands of function” are more like wave crests in a storm tossed sea than static islands in an calm sea. If you are going to use an analogy to prove a point it is best to use one that is not so easily debunked.
especially given the fine tuning implications of FSCO/I (thus of islands of function deeply isolated in configuration spaces dominated by seas of non function).
See above.
3: The root issue, OoL has to be bridged to access the tree, and it remains the case that there is no adequate, observationally warranted means to go from a Darwin pond or the like to cell based life by blind dynamic-stochastic forces.
Evolution does not make any claims on OoL. With regard to evolution, how life arose is irrelevant. <blockquote<4: Life, being full of FSCO/I, is full of known, reliable signs of design. Except that nobody has been able to adequately explain what FSCO/I is and how to quantify it. What is the FSCO/I of an arrowhead vs a stone? What is the FSCO/I of Mount Rushmore vs a mountaintop? What is the FSCO/I of a flagellum?
5: This includes something you spent months trying to dismiss, the Nobel Prize winning research that shows coded, algorithmic string data structure information in DNA and mRNA, used to assemble AA chains towards proteins. I put it to you this is alphanumeric, structure describing text that also is algorithmic, showing start and finite step by step instructions with halt; and, it is thus of clearly linguistic character.
Another argument based on the poor use of an analogy. “Code” when referring to DNA simply refers to the fact that known triplets of nucleotides have affinities to known amino acids. “Analogous” to how certain characters in a human code are placeholders for other characters. It takes a special pathology to intentionally mischaracterization a biologist’s use of the term to argue that this is proof of intentional design.
6: So, we do not actually have an empirically warranted blind watchmaker account of either origin of cell based life or of body plans, but we also know that such life is full of organisation and explicit information manifesting strong signs of design.
Neither side has an empirically warranted account of OoL. But one side is conducting research to try to narrow the possibilities down. Which side do you think that us?
7: Where there is clear evidence from eminent scientists of ideological imposition on the science, making it and education based on it severely biased.
What is currently being taught in most schools is based on fairly current research. (Unfortunately there is always a delay in updating curriculum) and the teachings have changed over time as new evidence is found. If you want your children to be taught that the universe and life are designed, there is already a constitutionally protected venue for that.Ford Prefect
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Well, that’s not true.
most definitely true. I’ve read the books and have a couple in my Kindle list.
Darwin’s On the Origin of Species set out the mechanism of natural selection,
Natural selection is not a mechanism. It’s a tautology. Whatever happens is by definition natural selection. This is evidence that you have no idea what you believe.
Do you live in a cave
No, but I understand what is behind what you believe even if you don’t. Aside: In a recent interview, Behe, Meyers and Maddox demonstrated that they don’t understand what the theory of Evolution is about. So commenters here should not feel lonely. They did demonstrate why naturalized Evolution can’t happen according to the reasons given by its adherents. Especially those who endorse Darwin’s ideas.jerry
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Querius/78
I wasn’t surprised at all when I ran across the apparently obligatory equivocation in the original text about their assertion of the impact of their findings on the infallible (and racist, colonialist, and genocidal) Theory of Evolution.
A couple observations: First, given the title of the original Nature publication there's clearly no "equivocation" as to where these results fit within the evolutionary model. It is explicit in the title of the article: "Mutation bias reflects natural selection." Can't get more explicit than that. Second, your characterization of evolutionary theory as "infallible, racist, colonialist and genocidal" is a complete overreach. Evolutionary theory is not a prescriptive public policy as you chose to characterize it; it is a scientific theory. Nothing more, nothing less.......chuckdarwin
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In short, oh you ignoramus fails, fails in a way that exposes the ideological agenda at work and implies that this is so powerful that AF feels compelled to gaslight at any cost. Here, this is what exposed him as of negative credibility.
Time for a fishing break, I think.Alan Fox
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KF, neither I nor Nick Lane have any issue with Lehninger. It's your interpretation that is at faultAlan Fox
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AF, insubstantial, for the moment, no 1. I am sure we both know that proverbially survival of the fittest does not explain arrival of the fittest. Or, going to the actual title of Origin, " On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life." How are favoured preserved, oh, by the failure thus subtraction, of the less favoured. Thus, that so-called natural selection is a subtraction of genetic information is manifest on its face; survival of the fittest -- let's skip the question begging in that for now -- means extinction, non-survival of the alleged less fit. That leaves chance variation, mutations etc as the chance driven, claimed writer of required information. That you are unwilling to admit this is a backhanded admission that you know this suggested means is grossly inadequate. KF PS, I beg to remind onlookers, as AF will never acknowledge, what expert biochemists Lehninger et al had to say:
"The information in DNA is encoded in its linear (one-dimensional) sequence of deoxyribonucleotide subunits . . . . A linear sequence of deoxyribonucleotides in DNA codes (through an intermediary, RNA) for the production of a protein with a corresponding linear sequence of amino acids . . . Although the final shape of the folded protein is dictated by its amino acid sequence, the folding of many proteins is aided by “molecular chaperones” . . . The precise three-dimensional structure, or native conformation, of the protein is crucial to its function." [Principles of Biochemistry, 8th Edn, 2021, pp 194 – 5. Now authored by Nelson, Cox et al, Lehninger having passed on in 1986. Attempts to rhetorically pretend on claimed superior knowledge of Biochemistry, that D/RNA does not contain coded information expressing algorithms using string data structures, collapse. We now have to address the implications of language, goal directed stepwise processes and underlying sophisticated polymer chemistry and molecular nanotech in the heart of cellular metabolism and replication.]
See https://uncommondescent.com/darwinist-debaterhetorical-tactics/protein-synthesis-what-frequent-objector-af-cannot-acknowledge/ In short, oh you ignoramus fails, fails in a way that exposes the ideological agenda at work and implies that this is so powerful that AF feels compelled to gaslight at any cost. Here, this is what exposed him as of negative credibility.kairosfocus
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KF's core issues: 1: Nonsense. Reproductive success fills the gap left by reproductive failure. 2. Poor analogy. You mistake map for territory. 3. Currently a mystery. But not one that concerns evolutionary theory. 4. FSCO/I exists only in your imagination. There's nothing to address. 5. Your lack of knowledge in biochemistry prevents you making sense. 6. More poor analogy. 7. Eminence does not outweigh facts and evidence. You'd maybe do better to argue against evolution as it is rather than your own straw-man.Alan Fox
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AF, you continue to skip the core issues as were again highlighted, 1: differential reproductive success is necessarily a subtracter of information rather than a source; the claimed source is incremental chance variation, which means 2: hill climbing and issues such as peak trapping and need to cross to other hills are not properly solved, especially given the fine tuning implications of FSCO/I (thus of islands of function deeply isolated in configuration spaces dominated by seas of non function). 3: The root issue, OoL has to be bridged to access the tree, and it remains the case that there is no adequate, observationally warranted means to go from a Darwin pond or the like to cell based life by blind dynamic-stochastic forces. 4: Life, being full of FSCO/I, is full of known, reliable signs of design. 5: This includes something you spent months trying to dismiss, the Nobel Prize winning research that shows coded, algorithmic string data structure information in DNA and mRNA, used to assemble AA chains towards proteins. I put it to you this is alphanumeric, structure describing text that also is algorithmic, showing start and finite step by step instructions with halt; and, it is thus of clearly linguistic character. 6: So, we do not actually have an empirically warranted blind watchmaker account of either origin of cell based life or of body plans, but we also know that such life is full of organisation and explicit information manifesting strong signs of design. Where, 7: there is clear evidence from eminent scientists of ideological imposition on the science, making it and education based on it severely biased. KFkairosfocus
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Nothing important happens here.
That appears to be getting truer by the day.
Get your Nobel at another site. Better yet, write a textbook on Evolution. It would be the first one to show how Evolution worked.
Well, that's not true. Darwin's On the Origin of Species set out the mechanism of natural selection, even though Darwin knew nothing of genomes, and opened the floodgates for evolutionary biology and molecular phylogenetics. Do you live in a cave, Jerry?Alan Fox
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PPS, the key questions are begged: >>Neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory>> 1: Which appeals to chance variation and differential reproductive success leading to micro and macro level descent with modification 2: Here, the root question is set aside, OoL. >>explains>> 3: Has no empirically founded adequate explanation for origin of body plans >> how the appearance of purposive design in the sophisticated adaptations of living organisms can have come about without their intentionally being designed.>> 4: Yes, this is a designer substitute framework but one lacking adequate means to the claimed end. 5: Where as differential reproductive success is a summary of culling out, we see a subtractor of biological information here, not an adder. 6: The only actual hoped for adder of information is chance variation, grossly inadequate for reasons already highlighted. >>The explanation relies crucially on the possibility of certain physical processes: mainly, gene replication and natural selection.>> 7: Not gene replication itself but mutations, accidental changes 8: Natural selection, is differential reproductive success, a subtraction process. 9: So we are left with chance variation as proposed adder, grossly inadequate for the scale required. 10: Also, the root of the tree, the biggest question, is left out, OoL. 11: Fail.kairosfocus
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Chuckdarwin @71, From your quote:
potentially explaining differences in the distribution of fitness effects of new mutations among species.
Really? "Potentially explaining"? Or maybe not explaining. The Easter bunny might "potentially explain" quantum mechanics as well. This isn't science. It's science fantasy. I wasn't surprised at all when I ran across the apparently obligatory equivocation in the original text about their assertion of the impact of their findings on the infallible (and racist, colonialist, and genocidal) Theory of Evolution. -QQuerius
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CR, designers exist as an observable in a going concern world, in fact you are a designer of the text of your objection. Design and designers are therefore, necessarily, possible -- and are common, this is not a vanishingly rare esoteric matter. On observation of trillions of cases, the research question, are there signs of design is firmly empirically answerable, yes. The real problem for many objectors, is, such signs are found in the cosmos and in the world of cell based life, which opens up issues of designers inconvenient for their ideological preferences, as say Lewontin, Crick, Mahner, US NSTA and Monod showed. As for oh where did designers come from in a chain, or how did they get their capability, that is both irrelevant and answered for record. Contingent being designers with intelligence, skill and purpose can be seen, and can be seen building capability. Venter et al are showing early stages of molecular nanotech and there is no reason to doubt that technical capability will continue to grow. At more basic level, beavers design dams to match stream flow conditions. As for roots of design, you have been given outline on failure of infinite regress claims and of the possibility of necessary being reality root, which is a logic of being issue. None of such onward questions changes the validity of inference to design on reliable sign. KF PS, I pointed out precisely what I have pointed to as random in real or suggested dynamic-stochastic systems, and I have pointed out that from Plato on we have known of chance, necessity and art. In context I pointed to darwin pond or the like and the forces those looking for no design solutions have, chem, phys, thermo-d. Going to origin of body plans chance variation and differential reproductive success -- which has from Darwin on a huge chance component -- similarly is materially appealing to chance. And is natural SELECTION is valid so is natural SEARCH by random walk,kairosfocus
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@KF
CR, what part of chance variation is not random?
What part have you left out from my comment? Was that random?
Evolution is not random. Mutations are random to any problem to be solved.
Do you also intend that C-Chem, cell based, aqueous medium, genes, proteins etc using life is written into the laws of physics, chemistry and thermodynamics?
No, it's not. This exact question was address in the constructor theory of life. We do not need the design of replicators to be present in the laws of physics.
Neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory explains how the appearance of purposive design in the sophisticated adaptations of living organisms can have come about without their intentionally being designed. The explanation relies crucially on the possibility of certain physical processes: mainly, gene replication and natural selection. In this paper I show that for those processes to be possible without the design of biological adaptations being encoded in the laws of physics, those laws must have certain other properties. The theory of what these properties are is not part of evolution theory proper, and has not been developed, yet without it the neo-Darwinian theory does not fully achieve its purpose of explaining the appearance of design. To this end I apply Constructor Theory's new mode of explanation to provide an exact formulation of the appearance of design, of no-design laws, and of the logic of self-reproduction and natural selection, within fundamental physics. I conclude that self-reproduction, replication and natural selection are possible under no-design laws, the only non-trivial condition being that they allow digital information to be physically instantiated. This has an exact characterisation in the constructor theory of information. I also show that under no-design laws an accurate replicator requires the existence of a "vehicle" constituting, together with the replicator, a self-reproducer.
In contrast, actual gene-replication is an impressively accurate physical trans- formation, albeit imperfect. But even more striking is that living cells can self-reproduce to high accuracy in a variety of environments, reconstruct- ing the vehicle afresh, under the control of the genes, in all the intricate details necessary for gene replication. This is prima facie problematic un- der no-design laws: how can those processes be so accurate, without their design being encoded in the laws of physics? This is why some physicists - notably, Wigner and Bohm, [12], [13] - have even claimed that accurate self-reproduction of an organism with the appearance of design requires the laws of motion to be “tailored” for the purpose – i.e., they must contain its design [12]. These claims, stemming from the tradition of incredulity that living entities can be scientifically explained, [14], highlight a problem. The theory of evolution must be supplemented by a theory that those physical processes upon which it relies are provably compatible with no-design laws of physics. No such theory has been proposed; and those claims have not been properly refuted. Indeed, the central problem here – i.e., whether and under what circum- stances accurate self-reproduction and replication are compatible with no- design laws – is awkward to formulate in the prevailing conception of fun- damental physics, which expresses everything in terms of predictions given some initial conditions and laws of motion. This mode of explanation can only approximately express emergent notions such as the appearance of design, no-design laws, etc. Von Neumann, who attempted to investigate self-reproduction within this framework, got as far as discovering its essential (replicator-vehicle) logic, [9]. However his use of the prevailing conception forced his analysis to be in terms of predictions: thus he attempted without success to provide the design of an actual self-reproducer in terms of atoms and microscopic interaction. He finally produced a viable toy model, [15], within cellular automata, but at the cost of severing the connections with actual physics. That model is thus inadequate to address the current problem - whether self-reproduction is compatible with the actual laws of physics un-augmented by any design of adaptations. The prevailing conception also forces a misleading formulation of the prob- lem, as: what initial conditions and laws of motion must (or must probably) produce accurate replicators and self-reproducers (with some probability)? But what is disputed is whether such entities are possible under no-design laws. More generally, it cannot express the very explanation provided by evolution- ary theory – that living organisms can have come about without intentionally being designed. It would have aimed at proving that they must occur, given certain initial conditions and dynamical laws. To overcome these problems I resort to a newly proposed theory of physics, constructor theory. [16, 17, 18]. It provides a new mode of explanation, expressing all laws as statements about which transformations are possible, which are impossible and why. This brings counterfactual statements into fundamental physics, which is key to the solution. The explanation provided by the theory of evolution is already constructor-theoretic: it is possible that the appearance of design has been brought about without intentionally being designed; so is our problem: are the physical processes essential to the theory of evolution - i.e., self- reproduction, replication and natural selection - possible under no-design laws? I shall show that they are (in section 2-3) provided that those laws of physics allow the existence of media that can instantiate (digital) information (plus enough time and energy). Information has an exact physical characterisation in the constructor theory of information [17]. I also show that under no-design laws an accurate self-reproducer requires an accurate (i.e., high-fidelity) replicator, and vice versa. Thus, the replicator- vehicle logic von Neumann envisaged is here shown to be necessary for accu- rate self-reproduction to be possible under such laws. This provides physical foundations for the relation between “metabolism” and replication (as de- fined by Dyson, [10]). In addition, that vehicles are necessary to high-quality replicators under our laws of physics (despite replicators being the conceptual pillar of evolutionary theory), informs the current debate about the necessity of organisms. The latter was recently doubted by Dawkins [19]: “ Just as life did not have to become multicellular [...] so living materials did not have to become packaged into discrete, individual organisms [..] behaving as unitary, purposeful agents. The only thing that is really fundamental to Darwinian life is self-replicating, coded information - genes, in the terminology of life on this planet.”. Constructor Theory’s mode of explanation also delivers an exact physical expression of the notions of the appearance of design, no-design laws, and of the logic of self-reproduction and natural selection. Finally, Wigner’s argument implies that accurate self-reproduction is incom- patible particularly with quantum theory, thus challenging its universality - a claim that others, with different motivations, have also made [20, 21, 22]. I shall demonstrate (in section 4) a quantum-mechanical (kinematical) model of the logic of self-reproduction, updating von Neumann’s, thus rebutting those claims. This, incidentally, clarifies how self-reproduction differs from cloning a quantum state (which has occasionally caused some confusion [20]). It also vindicates that self-reproduction - and even (possibly artificial) self- reproducers employing quantum coherence - are compatible with quantum theory.
Of course, I've posted a link to this before. What gives?critical rationalist
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Kairosfocus: kindly look at the OP and the previous two. Your attempted stipulation is out of order My question, valid question, was not directed at you was it? It's fair to ask other readers of this blog if they understand and can explain one of your posts. If no one steps up to back you up then what should we conclude?JVL
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CR, the causal origin of a given designer is irrelevant to the fact of recognizability of design per reliable sign.
It seems that you didn't seem to think that through very well. If the reliable recognizability of design is irrelevant of origin, then the origin of the designer of bacterium is irrelevant as well. Design recognizability would reliable in the case of the designer of bacterium, etc.critical rationalist
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Querius/64 If you read beyond the headline, a couple interesting things stand out regarding the research to which you link. First, from the Baker article:
The new finding does not disprove or discredit the theory of evolution, and the researchers said randomness still plays a big role in mutations. But the study does show that these genetic alterations are more complex than scientists previously believed.
Second, from the original paper published in Nature, entitled: Mutation bias reflects natural selection in Arabidopsis thaliana (emphasis added in part):
Since mutational biases are a product of evolution, they could differ between organisms, potentially explaining differences in the distribution of fitness effects of new mutations among species. (emphasis added)
What was under consideration in the report was the occurrence and persistence of non-random "mutational biases." For our purposes, the important language from the report is that mutational biases are a product of evolution. This brings us full circle to the observation that these findings do "not disprove or discredit the theory of evolution."chuckdarwin
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JVL, kindly look at the OP and the previous two. Your attempted stipulation is out of order, KFkairosfocus
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The boost from molecular phylogenetics has revolutionized evolutionary biology.
If anything it has destroyed naturalized Evolution. Great for genetics.
And I’m happy to dispute the idea that evolution is bankrupt.
You are living proof that it is.
if Uncommon Descent keeps going
UD has little if anything to do with ID. Nothing important happens here. Get your Nobel at another site. Better yet, write a textbook on Evolution. It would be the first one to show how Evolution worked.jerry
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d(E) plus 3-DPC + [n = 1] –> E Can anyone, other than Kairosfocus explains what this means and how it is pertinent?JVL
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Jerry: And the gibberish will be answered as if it is meaningful with something that’s convoluted. What about people like you who make statements about how it's all about islands of function but then refuse to answer some basic questions about islands of function? IF you're interested in having a real substantial dialogue that is. Are you?JVL
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AF, specifically, here, first principles of information and of how organisation has implicit information. Which leads to fine tuning of configuration to achieve relevant function. Where, d(E) plus 3-DPC + [n = 1] --> E This has several extensions and applications, being conceptually related to Turing Machines and automated manufacturing systems. KFkairosfocus
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As I said no one wants to explore just what Evolution means and why it is bankrupt. Both sides are afraid.
This isn't right, though. The boost from molecular phylogenetics has revolutionized evolutionary biology. And I'm happy to dispute the idea that evolution is bankrupt. Subject to time available, if I'm spared and if Uncommon Descent keeps going.Alan Fox
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Kairosfocus @55,
Jerry, blind, random walk natural search is a reasonable term for the dynamic stochastic, blind processes being invoked.
Just thinking about a random walk and Darwinism in terms of the Turing test, I have to agree with you. Functionally, they are identical and indistinguishable. What might be interesting is to map mutational changes to see whether they are actually random or not. If I remember correctly, some mutations are more likely than others. So unlike the sock puppets here, I looked it up and here's what I found: New study provides first evidence of non-random mutations in DNA "This goes against one of the key assumptions of the theory of evolution." By Harry Baker published January 14, 2022 https://www.livescience.com/non-random-dna-mutations Imagine that . . . LOL -QQuerius
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Logic and First Principles? Right! Thanks, Jerry. BTW, you are correct in stating that the process of evolution is not a search.Alan Fox
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Jerry, incoherent claims that have proved persuasive for some, are being shown to be incoherent, e.g. Xenophanes, and before him [in threads, not in history] Popper. KFkairosfocus
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So we get convoluted basically incoherent diatribes or platitudes.
I should have said
So we get convoluted basically incoherent diatribes or platitudes or gibberish
And the gibberish will be answered as if it is meaningful with something that’s convoluted. QEDjerry
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CR, the causal origin of a given designer is irrelevant to the fact of recognisability of design per reliable sign. So, first invited error is corrected. Second, imagine Venter were to have a breakthrough and built a bacterium from scratch, that would show that he and team were highly intelligent, had adequate technology and funding etc to carry out a goal they chose, build a bacterium from scratch. Venter is a contingent designer, showing that contingent designers are possible. You were already corrected by pointing to the other class of possible beings, but obviously side stepped it. Dawkins committed a similar error. There is no implied infinite regress of contingent designers, just as the observed cosmos does not imply a transfinite past of causally successive causal temporal thermodynamically constrained stages. Indeed, per the logic that shows transfinite traverse by finite steps is an infeasible supertask, we instead know that there was a hard beginning, not from non being nor from circular retrocausation, those are absurd. We are left with necessary being at the root of reality, with capability to cause a cosmos. For simple case, try to imagine a distinct possible world without two-ness thus the number two in it, or one where twoness came into being after a time where it was not, or ceased from being while the world carried on, the absurdities speak for themselves. KFkairosfocus
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