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In reading Dinesh D’Souza’s WHAT’S SO GREAT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY, I was surprised at how uncritical and historically uninformed is his view of evolution. For instance, he lumped C. S. Lewis with other notable 20th century Christian intellectuals as accepting evolutionary theory, but in fact toward the end of his life, Lewis regretted his earlier support for evolution (go here).

With even less apparent knowledge of his subject, D’Souza is now weighing in against intelligent design:

The Failure of “Intelligent Design”
Posted Mar 31st 2008 9:38AM by Dinesh D’Souza
Filed under: Science, Christianity, Atheism

. . . Today some Christians may be heading down the same path with their embrace of “intelligent design” or ID. This movement is based on the idea that Darwinian evolution is not only flawed but basically fraudulent. ID should not, however, be confused with bible-thumping six-day creationism. It does not regard the earth as 6,000 years old. Its leading advocates are legal scholar Phillip Johnson, biochemist Michael Behe, mathematician David Berlinski, and science journalist Jonathan Wells. Berlinski has a new book out The Devil’s Advocate that makes the remarkable claim that “Darwin’s theory of evolution has little to contribute to the content of the sciences.” Ben Stein’s movie “Expelled” provides horror stories to show that the case for ID as well as critiques of evolution from an ID perspective are routinely excluded or censored in the halls of academe.

ID advocates have sought to convince courts to require that their work be taught alongside Darwinian evolution, yet such efforts have been resoundingly defeated. Why has the ID legal strategy proven to be such a failure, even at the hands of conservative judges? Imagine that a group of advocates challenged Einstein’s theories of general and special relativity. Let’s say that this group, made up of a law professor, a couple of physicists, several journalists, as well as some divinity school graduates, flatly denies Einstein’s proposition that e=mc2.

How would a judge, who is not a physicist, resolve the group’s demand for inclusion in the physics classroom? He would summon a wide cross-section of leading physicists. They would inform him that despite unresolved debates about relativity–for example, its unexplained relationship to quantum theory–Einstein’s theories are supported by a wide body of data. They enjoy near-unanimous support in the physics community worldwide. There is no alternative scientific theory that comes close to explaining the facts at hand. In such a situation any judge would promptly show the dissenters the door and deny their demand for equal time in the classroom. This is precisely the predicament of the ID movement. . . .

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What an incredible comparison. D’Souza here gives no evidence of knowing even the rudiments of the debate over ID — he merely repeats the worst propaganda against ID. I encourage anyone who has personal contact with him to provide him with better information. A point of leverage is that D’Souza presumably wants Christians, many of whom support ID, to buy his book.

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Rude, thanks for the link. According to Boyd's article (whose works and contribution to some of theology's greatest apologetical problems I cannot underestimate):
This is an important point, because Miller's battle isn't against people who believe the world was designed by a Creator. He himself believes this.
I am aghast! Am I reading this right? If the world was designed, wouldn't there be some forensic-type residual evidence for other intelligent agents to discover? What's up with these people? The delusion is far greater than I had imagined. At least Boyd believes in the Gap Theory, which is a subset of Creationism, which is a subset of ID. So that was close. Phew!JPCollado
April 1, 2008
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I’ve read a number of Dinesh D’Souza books but will know not to bother with this one. I like Jerry’s idea of y’all meeting with the man and, if possible, setting him straight. It’s always disheartening to see a good man make a fool of himself. Earlier in the decade I read a number of Gregory Boyd’s books on open theism—I know, I’m a heretic!—and then recently came across this. How disappointing! I guess we glean a bit of understanding here and a bit of it there—but the most important intellectual movement in the world today is Intelligent Design. When we miss out on that we've really missed it.Rude
April 1, 2008
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nullasalus: "I wonder, can you believe both in evolution and in ID?...I guess what I’m really asking is, just how big is the Big Tent of ID?" Big enough to allow evidence that empirically demonstrates or proves that complex, organized and goal-specific systems could have exclusively risen through chance and accident alone.JPCollado
April 1, 2008
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D'Souza:
ID advocates have sought to convince courts to require that their work be taught alongside Darwinian evolution.
Is this based on any real court case? When? Where? Anyone? Anyone?SCheesman
April 1, 2008
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D’Souza: "Imagine that a group of advocates challenged Einstein’s theories of general and special relativity." Awful analogy. Darwin's theory cuts deeper than any other imaginable scientific conjecture since it is dealing (supposedly) with origins, which has quite an extensive religious undercurrent that slices through many philosophical issues like (a) where do I come from (b) why am I here, and (c ) where am I going. Questions such as these will always engender hotly debated discussions and will be contested on a platform of widely divergent ideologies. Not so with Einstein's theories of relativity.JPCollado
April 1, 2008
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nullasalus, One of my post just went into moderation so I will have to see what was wrong with it. But I will respond to your comments as soon as I see this post.jerry
April 1, 2008
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Gil, You are arguing from emotion and not logic. Suppose there are 10,000,000 species on the planet, what proportion came into being by the Darwinian paradigm and what proportion didn't. Information content or CSI has no relevance for nearly all species. Ask yourself what percentage of the species that Darwin saw on the Beagle trip arose from Darwinian processes or from some other mechanism? The answer is nearly all if not all. Depends on what he saw. This no threat to ID, in fact it strengthens the ID position. To deny this is to throw yourself in with those who see creation everywhere as opposed to where it really counts. When you do so, you weaken the ID position and leads to the comments by D'Souza.jerry
April 1, 2008
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jerry, I'm not sure even Dr Dembski would argue that this site represents the full range of ID opinion. But I've seen past links to John A. Davison's work, MikeGene's work over at Telic Thoughts, and more. Not everyone is hostile to evolution in the ID movement, or at least so I've thought. I wonder, can you believe both in evolution and in ID? What if you believe in evolution, but reject "Darwinism" and the popular, competitive model of natural selection (as some non-IDers do, such as some of the proponents of Gaia theory)? What if you believe in "Darwinian" evolution of species, but consider 'Darwinian' evolution to have abruptly ended at the introduction of humanity and human consciousness (as Freeman Dyson and others expressed belief in, based on a past brainstorming session posted on this site)? I guess what I'm really asking is, just how big is the Big Tent of ID? I'd like to think that it's big enough to accommodate a number of people who currently consider themselves outside ID, because they mistakenly believe the tent is smaller than it is. But hey, I could be wrong about this - I'm just an outsider, after all.nullasalus
April 1, 2008
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D’Souza: "Why has the ID legal strategy proven to be such a failure, even at the hands of conservative judges?" Conservatism has nothing to do with it since there are Atheists that are conservative. Dinesh should know better.JPCollado
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"Still, these narrow-minded Christians opposed Copernicus and Galileo until they were forced to admit that they were wrong." Dinesh D'Souza is wrong. Copernicus was wrong. Circular orbits and uniform speeds theorized by Copernicus was incorrect, and his detailed model required epicycles to match the geocentric models. Tycho Brae opposed the Copernican model because it was more complicated than the prevailing and preferred geocentric models, and did not produce more accurate predictions. The simplest explanation (geocentricism) was best, according to Tycho Brae. Galilo was a supporter of circular orbits, and so he was wrong too. Kepler worked with Tycho Brae, and ultimately generated the ellipitcal orbit with non-uniform speeds using the data he stole from Tycho's estate. It sounds like Dinesh D'Souza is getting his information from a high school text book or wikipedia.William Wallace
April 1, 2008
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It becomes not exactly like questioning e=mc^2 but sometimes close. If the two types of knowledge are roughly equivalent then when has the theory of natural selection been encoded in the language of mathematics and repeatedly verified empirically? What trajectory of adaptation has been predicted based on Darwinian theory and repeatedly verified empirically? Biologists seem to be trained to treat their own imaginations as the equivalent of empirical evidence, so they allow themselves to simply imagine things for natural selection to filter. For example:
What might a non-locomotor benefit [for bipedality] look like? A stimulating suggestion is the sexual selection theory of Maxine Sheets-Johnstone, of the University of Oregon. She thinks we rose on our hind legs as a means of showing off our penises. Those of us that have penises, that is. Females, in her view, were doing it for the opposite reason: concealing their genitals which, in primates, are more prominently displayed on all fours. This is an appealing idea but I don’t carry a torch for it. I mention it only as an example of the kind of thing I mean by a non-locomotor theory. As with so many of these theories, we are left wondering why it would apply to our lineage and not to other apes or monkeys. (The Ancestor's Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution By Richard Dawkins :91)
Darwinian "reasoning" often contains explanations for all possible forms of life and biological specification and its proponents can't seem to grasp the fact that if you explain a result and the exact opposite result then your "explanation" isn't falsifiable. e=mc^2 is falsifiable but often the reasoning being used to explain the origins of and history of all biological specification, form and species is not. It's one thing to engage in systematic thought based on facts, logic and evidence and then make some uniformitarian assumptions to make statements about the past. Even there one should realize that uniformitarian assumptions may be wrong, Nature may not be totally closed and regularities may not always be uniform and so statements about knowledge of the past should be approached with humility. Actual science aside, it's another thing entirely to build a case based on sifting through biological forms in Nature in order to find similarities in form/imagery which may fit whatever a biologist might imagine about the past. It seems to me that imagining things is not almost "exactly like" the first form of knowledge, it's not even close.mynym
April 1, 2008
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I’ve listened to D’Souza in debates and interviews on the Internet, and on local KKLA Christian radio in the Los Angeles area, and his ignorance and misrepresentations concerning ID are utterly and spectacularly stunning. He doesn’t have a clue, even about ID 101, and doesn’t appear to have any interest in becoming better informed. I’ve lost a lot of respect for the man. Jerry:
As I just said on another thread, the Darwinian paradigm explains most of the life on the planet.
Of course it doesn’t. The Darwinian paradigm explains how existing genetic information can be mixed and matched and selected for within the limitations of that existing information, and it explains minor stuff like bacterial antibiotic resistance. It doesn’t explain the origin of species as Darwin claimed, and it most certainly doesn’t explain the origin of new biological information and most of the life on the planet.GilDodgen
April 1, 2008
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This section of his book is by far his weakest, as opposed to his analysis of Hume and Kant, which seemed well reasoned, at least in my view. After reading it, his rather cavalier dismissal of ID was unseemly in an otherwise well written book covering the vast amount of subject matter. I posted a site yesterday, https://uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/science-bloggers-hook-line-and-sinker/#comment-191915 linking Dallas Willard's critique of Dawkins' THE BLIND WATCHMAKER. In it, he attempts to side step the traditional teleological arguement and in doing so nails Dawkins on philosophical grounds, something Willard appears to use well. From what I have been able to ascertain from Dr.s Dembski, Behe, Wells, and The Discovery Institute fellows, is that ID is a propositionally scientific question, not an apologetic method. D'Souza does acknowledge the cell in all its complexity, but there is very little to go on prior to its comeuppance. While I respect D'Souza and applaud his work, particularly in the apologetic area in this case, he certainly leaves himself open to his own criticism, as does Francis Collins.toc
April 1, 2008
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nullasalus, If you survey here on this site the opinions about how evolution works, you can quickly understand the opinions of those outside these narrow confines. It becomes not exactly like questioning e=mc^2 but sometimes close.jerry
April 1, 2008
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I watched most of the D'Souza/Hitchens debate on youtube, so I decided to buy his book a few months ago. When I got to the part about his understanding of ID, I was shocked. He's been taken in by the Darwinian rhetoric and the media. I set the book down at that point and still haven't picked it back up and finished it.FtK
April 1, 2008
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I'm glad to see this posted. I do wonder if D'Souza is aware about the extent and intricacies of the ID view. I can respect him disagreeing with it - and frankly, I have quite a lot of respect for the man. But I worry about the reasons for the disagreement, as ID is much maligned and tends to be explained in the worst possible manner.nullasalus
April 1, 2008
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DeepDesign, I read the Design of Life several months ago and it supports my position.jerry
April 1, 2008
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Jerry, I take it you have not read the Design of Life. You would probability be better off reading this book, than by telling the Design Community how to conduct it’s business and research.DeepDesign
April 1, 2008
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DeepDesign, You are certainly entitled to your opinions but I am not sure everyone holds your opinions of D'Souza or of life on the planet.jerry
April 1, 2008
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Dr. Dembski, Why don't you and Michael Behe meet with D'Souza and explain what ID is all about. It should be a meeting that could be set up. Since both he and Behe are Catholics, it should not be hard to arrange.jerry
April 1, 2008
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Jerry, I strongly disagree with you that the Darwinian paradigm explains the history of life on this planet. Besides who is Dinesh D'Souza? Other than someone who has sucummed to the Devil's Delusion?DeepDesign
April 1, 2008
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As I just said on another thread, the Darwinian paradigm explains most of the life on the planet. Untill ID formally recognizes this possibiity, it will be continually marginalized. Until ID deals with all the evidence, it must suffer these types of attacks from those who should be friendly as well as those who are enemies. The Darwinian paradigm does not explain OOL or the origin of many orders and some particular species but it does explain how most species or variants got here. As unpleasant as may be for many who come to this blog, RV + NS (genetics) works in an extremely large number of cases.jerry
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