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COMPLEXITY =/=> EVOLUTION
Many Darwinists equate complexity with evolution. They see the fossil record of increasing complexity with time as precisely what defines Evolution. But is increasing complexity always a good thing? The history of computers is instructive.

Your iPhone and laptop computer are constructed using base-2, principally because flip-flops and early binary circuits were easy to make, even the earliest electronic memory based on circular ferrites was two-state. This base-2 necessity led to an explosion in the study of Boolean Algebra and binary logic in the 1950’s, which demonstrated that everything you could do in base-10 could be done in base-2.

By the late 50’s, the Russians were falling further and futher behind the US in computer technology, and being the math-nerds they are, they thought that perhaps binary computers were just the first step in a necessary evolution of computers. So if evolution was complexity, then the obvious next evolutionary step should be ternary logic, or 3-state systems. Rather than (-1,1), they built circuits that used (-1, 0, 1) as logic states.

After much effort, they had their first ternary computer up and running and programmed, and they could compare it to the US binary machines. They were abysmally slower. Not only so, but they were slower even if one emulated ternary logic in software on a binary machine–for you FORTRAN afficionados, this was the FOR66 arithmetic goto statement. I personally translated a 40-line FOR66 program CURFIT from Philip Bevington’s 1969 “Data Analysis” textbook into TurboPascal, and wrestled for a whole week with the ternary logic. It was devilish, ultra-compact, but a royal pain.  Five years later I was translating it into “C” (TurboPascal having died an early death) and read Kernighan and Richie’s classic text where they said about “clever” ternary algorithms the same thing that my poetry instructor had told me in college–“Kill all your little darlings.” Or as the Brits would say, “Too clever by half.”

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@Charlie
Theres other people being vulgar on here too, but of course im singled out. No surprise there really. Go - yourself.
When JLA was confronted for using unkind language and ridicule, he immediately apologized! Quite admirable actually for someone who doesn't even believe in God. However when Charlie was confronted, he just made excuses and played the victim. He couldn't bring himself to admit that he was wrong. This is not surprising considering his chosen worldview. Admitting sin is quite an uncomfortable process if there is no solution for it. But, Charlie's response is very typical of sinful human nature. Make excuses for your bad behavior and try and justify it. Claiming others do it, doesn't make it right. That's the kind of thing my junior high boy says to me when I point out something. He just ignores it or makes excuses for why it should be OK.tjguy
June 6, 2013
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Well there's your problem. Thinking is obviously not one of your strong suits.Joealtle
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'Look bud, im willing to bet i know more about how the brain works then most people here.' Gosh! That trumps any arguments from people who've forgotten more about the brain than you would ever be capable of learning. I think you're a high-school student. And not one of their brightest.Axel
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F/N: If you check the name plate you will see just who you reacted to so rudely just now. Management. KFkairosfocus
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CD: Vulgarity is not a value at UD. It is normally policed. Where someone occasionally slips off the wagon is one thing, willful defiance and escalation as above are another. If you don't clean up your act real fast, you will not be here long. For cause. KFkairosfocus
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Unfortunately for you, I do know what I am talking about. And it was 2004- the year the Red Sox came back and beat the Yankees. In 2003 Boone hit a home run off of Wakefield- signs of Bucky Dent- to beat the sox in game 7. BTW metazoans are biological organisms and meiosis and mitosis are biological processes. IOW they are relevant whereas your assnine examples are irrelevant.Joe
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Nor why the sky is blue, nor how the red sox came back to beat the yanks in 03, nor why water is wet. You have no idea what you are talking about.CharlieD
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CharlieD:
Also Joe, my position most certainly can account for the brain.
Nope, it can't even account for metazoans, nor meiosis and mitosis.Joe
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Theres other people being vulgar on here too, but of course im singled out. No surprise there really. Go fuck yourself. Also Joe, my position most certainly can account for the brain. Cellular communication is the basis of life, and it is accounted for in neurons by neurotransmitters, and the localization of nerve cells in the anterior region of an organism is the basis of the brain. Its not that difficult.CharlieD
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CharlieD, Your position cannot account for the brain, neural connections nor neurotransmitters, etc.Joe
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You can't make this stuff up. Cf here on the reductio ad absurdum of evo mat. (I wonder how TSZ is taking the bad news?) KFkairosfocus
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BA #57, Why delay it? Send him to room 101 where he belongs. Tolls!! Who needs em!!PeterJ
June 1, 2013
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CharlieD, you are a guest on this blog. Please comport yourself as such. One more vulgarity and you will be shown the exit.Barry Arrington
June 1, 2013
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You keep on not believing your brain. Let me know how that goes for you.CharlieD
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"Youre inrtigued? Are you sure? Or were you just hit in the head a few times earlier today and you dont remember it?...Hed rather talk about how we cant believe anything in our brain. Maybe these words youre reading are really jibberish and nobody else can understand them but youfagafdgfdhbfdbdfbfvbab"
Yes. Quite. I don't think so. He's correct, given certain premises. Yes.Chance Ratcliff
May 31, 2013
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Youre inrtigued? Are you sure? Or were you just hit in the head a few times earlier today and you dont remember it? Apparently JLA was hit in the head a lot. Hed rather talk about how we cant believe anything in our brain. Maybe these words youre reading are really jibberish and nobody else can understand them but youfagafdgfdhbfdbdfbfvbabCharlieD
May 31, 2013
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JLAfan2001, given our past exchanges on this blog, I confess to being intrigued by some of your comments. Are you accepting the implications of atheism as a matter of fact, or are you taking issue with those implications by noting their absurdities? Either way, your thoughts are appreciated.Chance Ratcliff
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And here we go again with whats real/whats not... Your probably right, I dont know much about evolution or the brain, but its still way more than most people here.CharlieD
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"Look bud, im willing to bet i know more about how the brain works then most people here. You dont have to tell me to read up. Have you heard about the guy who took a metal stake through his skull and lived? He had good portion of his brain fucked up, but he was still able to survive. Testimonies from many people that knew him all say he is a very different person now. How we act, who we are, all of that shit is just neural connections, neurotransmitters, etc." THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL THIS TIME!!!! so how can you believe anything if it's just in your brain. A hard blow to the head and you will be believing aliens next. And I bet you know as much about the brain as you know about evolution which you already admitted isn't much. BTW, people have also had half their brain removed without being any different too.JLAfan2001
May 31, 2013
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Look bud, im willing to bet i know more about how the brain works then most people here. You dont have to tell me to read up. Have you heard about the guy who took a metal stake through his skull and lived? He had good portion of his brain fucked up, but he was still able to survive. Testimonies from many people that knew him all say he is a very different person now. How we act, who we are, all of that shit is just neural connections, neurotransmitters, etc.CharlieD
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All you are is your brain, fuckhead. Neuroscience has been saying that for years. Your entire personhood is just a product of brain activity and nothing more. You don't make decisions, your brain does. NO YOU BECAUSE THERE IS NO YOU. Again , this is what science says. You have no clue what kind of worldview you're getting into, my friend. Do some research on neuroscience. Listen to Alex Rosenberg. Read Sam Harris and then come back and say I'm wrong.JLAfan2001
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Oh brother here we go with the whats real, whats not. Brains dont "lie" you dipshit. Either start making sense or piss off.CharlieD
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Exactly. Now if our brain has lied to us already what makes you think that you can trust it for finding your meaning, purpose or doing science. Remember, you need your lying brain to reason when you do science. Science is a way of using our reason to test if our reason is reasonable but it already starts with a deceiving organ.JLAfan2001
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I guess you could make a case that our brains could possibly be "pre-wired" to accept religion or even want it. Going even further back though, i think our brains are prewired to want to assign meaning to life, or to know that everythings going to be alright, or that granny is in a better place; religion fills this void.CharlieD
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Look up some literature. There are lots that claim religion was a product of evolution that was selected for. Natural selection has gone far from being just biological. Think about it. If evolution shaped our brains, how do you think religion came about? Be sure to let Freedom From Religion know when you think humanity is ready to let go of it because they sure as hell think it now. I'm sure they would care about your opinion.JLAfan2001
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It slowed the progress of science. Are you seriously trying to apply natural selection to the evolution of an idea? Cmon guys really? Religion is the invention of our own minds to give us exactly what JLA originally posted in that list: explanations, meaning, morals, all that jazz. Religion makes life easier. If you want to talk about the evolution of religion, well thats a whole other can of worms in itself.CharlieD
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Yes, the church in the 1600s did stifle science to a degree. Did this stop science from progressing? No, because the Protestant Reformation took some of the power away from the church. Atheistic thinking and philosophy became more commonplace in the 18th century (the Enlightenment). JLAfan makes a good point: if we've all evolved, then where and how did religion develop? Why and how did natural selection and random mutations account for the development of a variety of religious belief?Barb
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38 was just a terrible attempt at humor. A+ for effort though.CharlieD
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Try to keep up, it was a hypothetical. The church in the 1600s stifled where it could. If Freedom From Religion is truly trying to shut down the church then I would disagree with their ideas, as I dont think the human race is ready for that...yet.CharlieD
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Charlie @ 37: Why would the church (Catholic) try to shut down the academy? The Catholic Church has publicly stated that evolution is true. And as I pointed out, shutting down one academy in Italy did not stifle scientific investigation forever. I find it truly amusing that you ignore the larger points that contradict your view; it's what's known as "not being able to see the forest for the trees."Barb
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