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The quote of the day comes from commenter AaronS1978. In a comment to my last post, Aaron brings to our attention MMA fighter Fallon Fox, a man posing as a woman and fighting in the woman’s division. He has smashed the faces of multiple woman. Aaron writes that in our brave new world:

beating the crap out of a woman is OK as long as you think you’re a woman

Where are the feminists?

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“If you could get the people who would be affected by being placed in a third category to agree with you, then that would be something significant.” As you say good luck with that! Vividvividbleau
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Sev the very cells in the body manipulated with hormones etc tell the real story: XY. KFkairosfocus
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The fact that a man who has transitioned to the female gender retains his male physique in spite of the hormone therapy but is no longer wholly male either suggests to me we should recognize it as a third category.
If you could get the people who would be affected by being placed in a third category to agree with you, then that would be something significant. But right or wrong, if your opinion doesn't sway them, then they're not going to accept that third categorization. As I see it, that's where it stands today. That's why transitioned-men want to compete with women - because they think they really are women. At the same time, if they're willing to admit that they're not really women and should participate either with men or in their own category, then that would be an improvement, as I see it.Silver Asiatic
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Silver Asiatic/261
One of the points Vivid has been repeating, however, is that to “take them at their word” we have to accept them as “women”, entitled to all the rights and identification that any woman receives. Segregating them into their own category denies what they’re claiming. So, why not draw the logical conclusion and just say that they’re not women?
The fact that a man who has transitioned to the female gender retains his male physique in spite of the hormone therapy but is no longer wholly male either suggests to me we should recognize it as a third category.Seversky
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Just ban the madness of transgender ideology: Michael Knowles :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjrzHCgxks&t=2005sLieutenant Commander Data
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If we accept them at their word – and I see no reason why we shouldn’t – then, for society as a whole, the issue becomes what adjustments need to be made to accommodate their needs while protecting the legitimate rights and interests of other members of society such as cisgender women and girls.
One of the points Vivid has been repeating, however, is that to "take them at their word" we have to accept them as "women", entitled to all the rights and identification that any woman receives. Segregating them into their own category denies what they're claiming. So, why not draw the logical conclusion and just say that they're not women?Silver Asiatic
April 6, 2022
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Sev, but sports DID set up classes that made sense. The agenda is to destroy them. And, men and women by and large have significantly different body and skeletal structures, especially that women are more gracile, part of feminine beauty. Women tend to have significantly less upper body strength and less robust skeletons. The description in OP of a man shattering women's faces is regrettably realistic. This is also part of the reason behind the gentleman's rule not to hit women. There are even tables and charts of target zones in the body and a recognition that in a fist fight certain zones are off limits if life is not in the stakes. KFkairosfocus
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It seems that this thread is dying a natural death so I will put a bow on the casket and summarize what has been demonstrated and ignored.
Let me say a few words over the grave.
1) None of the advocates for men who think they are woman can say what a women is, pretty astonishing. If one does not know what a woman is how can they in the same breath say that men who think they are women are indeed women? I asked this questions several time and the response has been cricket’s.
The human race is a sexually dimorphic species in which each individual typically develops as either male of female. Each sex has distinct physical and psychological "profiles" but there is considerable variation in the various traits that make up those profiles. Nonetheless, for the vast majority of individuals the physical and psychological profiles are aligned. They are content with being either male or female and the rest of society has no difficulty recognizing them by their physical and behavioral attributes and acknowledging them as such. What has emerged more recently is that are a relatively small number of individuals who report feeling that their physical and psychological profiles are not aligned such that a physical male may feel like a woman trapped in a man's body. If we accept them at their word - and I see no reason why we shouldn't - then, for society as a whole, the issue becomes what adjustments need to be made to accommodate their needs while protecting the legitimate rights and interests of other members of society such as cisgender women and girls. The example has been raised of sports where a transgender male has taken part in a women's competition and been overwhelmingly successful by virtue of the advantage his unaltered male physique has given him. The transition procedures have not given him the more limited capacity - in some respects - of the female physique. If one of the purposes of sports is that all competitors should have a fair chance of winning then it seems to me that one solution might be to follow the example of boxing which has set up different division for different weight categories such that a heavyweight is never matched against a featherweight, for example. That is only a suggestion, however, and it should be up to the various sporting communities to decide what works best for them.Seversky
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SA, every man has a mother, and a father. We cannot not know what is as self evident as this; we are seeing absurdities of ideological imposition that call forth Havel's green grocer. KFkairosfocus
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Excellent summary, Vivid. A man who does not know what a woman is, is incapable of being a true man or of showing the respect to a woman that she deserves. And it comes back to him - if he doesn't know what a woman is then he can't know himself.Silver Asiatic
April 4, 2022
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this thread is dying a natural death
You obviously do not believe in life after death. Prediction: there will be a resurrection some place.jerry
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To all It seems that this thread is dying a natural death so I will put a bow on the casket and summarize what has been demonstrated and ignored. 1) None of the advocates for men who think they are woman can say what a women is, pretty astonishing. If one does not know what a woman is how can they in the same breath say that men who think they are women are indeed women? I asked this questions several time and the response has been cricket’s. 2) No one has rebutted the testimony of various women from the likes of RBG and the head of the women liberation front that this will decimate title 1X and womens privacy rights and is harmful to women and girls. I could have also appealed to Germaine Greer, one of the founders of the modern day feminist movement and JK Rowling none of which are right wing religious zealots. 3) it has been demonstrated that this issue is extremely harmful to woman and no one has been able to deny the case laid out by KF, SA and myself that it is very harmful to women. 4) No answer as to why a man who thinks he is a women should not be able to participate in women's sports if indeed he is a women. Why should a more muscular woman etc, etc, be prohibited from women’s sports? 5) On what basis can one deny the validly of any of the 72 genders which one commentator said that some of them are absurd . If thinking your a women makes you a women then none of the 72 genders can be absurd. If anyone objects please direct me to the specific posts that addressed the above. Vividvividbleau
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JVL “I’m curious . . . honestly, what prompted you to ask me ‘what is a woman’ in the first place? I don’t know if you expected a particular reaction . . . did you?” I ask everyone that question who tell me than men who think they are women are women and so far no one , including you, has been able to tell me what a woman is. Seems like a pretty important question especially since if one does not know what a woman is how can they tell me that a man who thinks he is a woman is a woman? Vivid “Keep in mind the FBI tried to orchestrate a silent coup against a duly elected President. JVL “Which president? If you mean President Trump in 2020 may I point out that no court and no US government organisation of any kind has endorsed the idea that the election was stolen..” Nor did I ever say it was may I tell you I am referring to the Steele dossier bought and paid for by Hilary Clintons campaign and then used by the FBI to attempt a silent coup.vividbleau
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Vividbleau: I'm curious . . . honestly, what prompted you to ask me 'what is a woman' in the first place? I don't know if you expected a particular reaction . . . did you?JVL
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JVL “So, when asked what I think a ‘woman’ is I (eventually) tried to answer honestly and truthfully. Yes, I changed my phrasing and even thought of some extra conditions (not trying to cheat or hurt) but I think I was pretty consistent, accounting for not trying to come up with a hard-and-fast dictionary definition” I don’t question your sincerity and you have been pretty consistent , consistent in not giving an answer to “what is a woman” except you don’t know. I know you think you have but by your own words you tried hard to not come up with a definition and in that you have succeeded. What you did do in all your posts was basically justify why you don’t know what a woman is. It took us a while to get there but at least “I don’t know what a woman is” is an answer thank you for that. Vividvividbleau
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o, specifically, you cannot legitimately claim a right that I must address you as a woman, if you manifestly are a man, as you wish to compel me into habitual lying which taints conscience.
Yes, exactly. We have a duty to the truth. If someone said, for example "I am worthless" - we would have the duty to correct that. You're not worthless. It's the same with a man who says he is a woman. We have the duty to stand against that falsehood, for his own sake - and for society and for our own personal integrity.Silver Asiatic
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SA, yes that frames the issue somewhat. However the direct question remains. I suggest that there is a lesser sense of contractual entitlements due to contracts; including govt declared entitlements. Even that is derivative. I suggest that core rights are binding morally founded claims we make on others based on our inherent dignity as human beings. So, if I claim a right X, it is because you have corresponding duties Y that require you to uphold me in regards to X. My rights to life, liberty, honestly acquired property, innocent reputation, etc imply your duties to uphold same. Murder and negligent homicides are gross failings of duty. This is then compounded by fundamental equality, worth and dignity as sharing a common nature as responsible, rational, significantly free [volitional] and morally governed, social creatures. So, if I claim a right Y, that must be grounded on, to uphold Y does not involve being forced or compelled or expected to do evil, rights must be compatible with sound conscience. Otherwise rights become another rhetorical excuse for oppression, rights must be just. Freedoms, mean things we are at liberty to do within lawfulness or justice, similarly. Thus, we see that the civil peace of justice is due balance of rights, freedoms and duties, which involves coherence. So, specifically, you cannot legitimately claim a right that I must address you as a woman, if you manifestly are a man, as you wish to compel me into habitual lying which taints conscience. This is pointing back to first duties and of course the roots of our nature, worth, dignity thus our ultimate source. However first duties are self evident, the very attempt to object implicitly appeals to same. KFkairosfocus
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KF As with all important matters touching on human growth, life and civilization - we have to look to origins. If the origin of human rights are from elected governments, then these are not really rights. They're just permissions given by the government. What the government gives, it can take away. American founding documents speak of inalienable rights - meaning those which persist no matter what government is in power. So, the origin of those rights must be from a higher, more permanent order. They cannot come from the individual either because we cannot grant rights to ourselves.. So, human rights are built into and commeasurable with the dignity and sacredness of human life. If there is no uniqueness to human life, then there are no inalienable rights. Rights are conferred by that which has the power to do so. We give certain rights to animals that they do not give to themselves. Animals will attack each other in the wild. We however, confer rights on animals because we want them to "live a good life".Silver Asiatic
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The world is changing. You might not like some of the changes but that doesn’t mean those changes are destroying everything.
The transgender political agenda along with LGBT rights, gay marriage and abortion rights (and promotion of contraception) are anti-family movements. It's not merely that some people might not like these changes because they don't fit their personal opinions - but there are real consequences to an attack on family life and on children: There are hundreds of articles on this topic - Demographic collapse in Europe: -- New study forecasts the EU's population will plummet by millions more than expected -- Long-term decreasing rates in fertility and increasing life expectancy could have damaging consequences for almost every European nation -- But in the years ahead, countries in the south and east of Europe – with much lower rates of fertility and higher rates of emigration – are expected to perform far worse than those in the north, further widening European economic inequality, with few tractable policy solutions in sight. -- The urgency of finding equitable solutions will grow as Europe’s share of the global population begins to shrink and as intra-European demographic imbalances worsen. -- Demographic decline is perhaps more acute in Europe than anywhere else in the world, partly because the problem is exacerbated by the EU’s guaran- tee on freedom of movement, which speeds the ‘brain drain’ from economically under-performing countries in the south and east and puts further downward pressure on birth rates in these areas This is all a very destructive trend - traceable to changes in sexual ethics. When population declines under a certain threshold, the economy will collapse. Society will not be able to sustain services and support for those who are living in it, especially if the elderly outnumber the young. The change in sexual ethics that we're debating with so-called gender equality is the continued movement towards sexual permissiveness irresponsibility. There are fewer marriages, more contraception and divorce - and aberrant, non-fruitful sexual behaviors are widespread. An obvious result from all of that is the demographic collapse - which some politicians think can be solved by immigration from nations (Islamic) that have more children.Silver Asiatic
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SA, what is -- and what makes/grounds -- a right (as opposed to a claim or assertion)? KFkairosfocus
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JVL @ 244 Poland and Hungary are taking a strong position - other EU nations may follow:
Polish President Andrzej Duda has called the promotion of LGBT rights an "ideology" more destructive than communism, in a campaign speech. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53039864
Some people are being persecuted for opposition to the LGBT agenda:
Open University criminology professor who said 'male-bodied' trans women should NOT be in female prisons suffers public harassment and is compared to a 'racist uncle at Christmas dinner table' for her gender critical beliefs EXCLUSIVE: Criminology Professor has crowdfunded £80,000 for a tribunal Jo Phoenix plans to fight Open University for not protecting her from bullying Professor was compared to transphobic and racist for transgender views Follows Kathleen Stock quitting Sussex University amid trans-rights storm https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10165133/Professor-hounded-job-saying-male-bodied-trans-women-NOT-female-prisons.html
This is a study on the backlash occurring in Europe:
The present analysis of selected EU member states has revealed that backlash in gender equality and women’s rights has occurred in the last few years. The main areas and fields of this backlash appear to be common across countries. They include the key areas of institutional and policy framework for gender equality, certain policy fields (such as education, sexual and reproductive health and rights, and preventing and combating violence against women) as well as the working environment/operating space for women’s human rights NGOs. Consequently, both the gender equality and women’s human rights agenda and the main actors promoting this agenda have faced challenges. https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2018/604955/IPOL_STU(2018)604955_EN.pdf
As I said before, I think this kind of backlash will increase. Even in the USA where trans-rights have enormous support, a backlash is beginning over women's sports.Silver Asiatic
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JVL, change is not necessarily positive. The Overton Window framework, slippery policy and cultural agenda slope leading to disaster is a real possibility and arguably has been happening for generations but is now accelerating as over the cliff end game appears. Note here https://uncommondescent.com/philosophy/francis-schaeffers-line-of-despair-model-of-our-civilisations-intellectual-history/ and in that context note Lindh et al 1994 on 4th gen warfare and a predicted balkanisation of the US:
The third idea that shapes our understanding of fourth generation warfare ties in our situation here at home. In the United States of America, our traditional, Western, Judeo-Christian culture is collapsing. It is not collapsing because it failed. On the contrary, it has given us the freest and most prosperous society in human history. Rather, it is collapsing because we are abandoning it. Starting in the mid-1960s, we have thrown away the values, morals, and standards that define traditional Western culture. In part, this has been driven by cultural radicals, people who hate our Judeo-Christian culture. Dominant in the elite, especially in the universities, the media, and the entertainment industry (now the most powerful force in our culture and a source of endless degradation), the cultural radicals have successfully pushed an agenda of moral relativism, militant secularism, and sexual and social “liberation.” This agenda has slowly codified into a new ideology. usually known as “multiculturalism” or “political correctness,” that is in essence Marxism translated from economic into social and cultural terms. This new, cultural Marxism has had remarkable success in discrediting America’s common culture and substituting for it cultural fragmentation based on ethnic groups, gender, sexual identity, and class. If this trend continues, Americans will increasingly find they have less in common with each other as Americans. National identity will weaken. Other, mutually hostile identities will strengthen, until the nation comes apart: region vs. region, minority vs. minority, and gang vs. gang. When one nation comes apart at its cultural seams, eventually it turns on itself and fights.
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Vividbleau: This sounds to much like an order. I respectfully request the above not demand it.. I appreciate that. I hadn't seen that before I got frustrated. Silver Asiatic: I quoted a comment from a video (which I didn’t even watch) which used the word stupid, and that may have appeared to be ridicule of you or others. If so, I apologize. I hope you will feel free to post your serious comments and be assured that they will be treated appropriately. The comment I offered had nothing to do with the topic at hand. I was just reflecting on LCD’s viewpoint and mentioning how expectations have changed. I hadn't watched the video and that wasn't part of my frustration. Here's some of what I did notice:
because they will continue to damage our society in even worse and more destructive ways. Already they want to destroy the innocence of children in classrooms (this is the group that denies that a pregnant woman is carrying a baby so destroying children’s lives is part of it).
“I support the curent thing and endorse whatever stupid thing my government do. Why ? Because otherwise I will be marginalised, punished and I couldn’t exercise my virtue signalling to feel myself an atheist saint. This would be the end for me and my atheistic worldview. “
I guess this is a kind of perversion that mimics free will of woke society but in fact there is no free will for woke types it’s like you should agree EXACTLY what the the government says on legacy media or…highway. But was their choice to give up their own free will for the sake of wokeism party.
It started out that they wanted to do whatever the woke, hipster, Gnostic-celebrity cult would tell them so that they could be part of the cult themselves, and therefore gain all of the benefits of being a member. They wanted to be the ones laughing along with the late-night comedians and not the ones being laughed at. But it has changed. Now, you don’t only lose membership in Club Cool, but you will be punished and people will hate you and blame you for all of the evils in the world..
It works like a charm against the radical leftoid attempts at perverting the language.
You’re probably right that we don’t have much choice against those types. So, we have to do something. But in the bigger picture, the radical left took over the universities and entertainment and media and everybody just went along with how they redefined everything.
I don't mind being disagreed with, I expect it on this site. I'm not here to change minds, I'm here to learn what other people think because I think it's important to listen to each other. When asked a question I try and answer it respectfully as long as the respect is mutual. I do not understand why anyone really cares what I think. I think it's pretty obvious that the term 'woman' is becoming more and more contextual and I, personally, do not have a problem with that. So, when asked what I think a 'woman' is I (eventually) tried to answer honestly and truthfully. Yes, I changed my phrasing and even thought of some extra conditions (not trying to cheat or hurt) but I think I was pretty consistent, accounting for not trying to come up with a hard-and-fast dictionary definition. I think modern societies are complicated with many different views and standards and morals and I prefer to try and be understanding and accommodating. I also understand that, for some, the issue is and should be black and white. That's fine, I acknowledge that view and I'd like to accommodate and respect that as much as possible. I do not and will not project that view into the destruction of civilisation or some kind of evil plot to destroy everything we hold dear. I won't do that because I don't think that's true. However, I very frequently find my view being portrayed in just that way. And it's very tiring and trying; to be assumed to be an idiot or a liar or evil . . . Silver Asiatic, I'm sure there are people in Europe who see things the way you do. But the vast majority do not. A lot more people are worried about Sharia law or uncontrolled immigration or terrorism than there are worried about same-sex marriages or trans-gender individuals. You can see that every day in the news, in the papers, in popular entertainment shows and in the dramas on the BBC and ITV and Chanels 4 and 5 (those are the biggest terrestrial TV channels). Programs like Gentleman Jack (a drama about a 19th century lesbian) are widely watched and respected, frequently winning honours at the BAFTAs. Many, many fictional characters in TV shows are gay or lesbian. There are quite a few gay or lesbian news presenters and reporters that I know of. There are some MPs who are gay or lesbian. There are some famous (and infamous) cross-dressers. And, recently there are a number of trans-individuals. There is no wide-spread backlash or claims that all this is eroding the foundations of our civilisation. Occasionally there is a kerfuffle like the bakery that refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple but, generally, not many people are bothered. Not that I want to add fuel to your fire but: https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-lesbian-politicians/lgbt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_politicians_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_politicians_in_the_United_States We're doing pretty well. The UK and France and Germany and Spain and Portugal and Denmark and The Netherlands and Belgium and Italy and Switzerland and Austria and Poland and Luxembourg all have some problems and issues, no of them are perfect. But they are in no danger of collapsing because we've generally decided to be nice and respectful to other people as long as they are being nice and respectful back. The world is changing. You might not like some of the changes but that doesn't mean those changes are destroying everything.JVL
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JVL “Either give me a different definition, confirm your original definition or state the obvious which is you cannot define what a woman is. Take your pick.” This sounds to much like an order. I respectfully request the above not demand it.. Vividvividbleau
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Since it’s pretty clear that there is no real point in my trying to honestly and seriously reply to your many queries because I’ll only be derided and made fun of.
I quoted a comment from a video (which I didn't even watch) which used the word stupid, and that may have appeared to be ridicule of you or others. If so, I apologize. I hope you will feel free to post your serious comments and be assured that they will be treated appropriately. The comment I offered had nothing to do with the topic at hand. I was just reflecting on LCD's viewpoint and mentioning how expectations have changed.Silver Asiatic
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JVL So that you don’t have to scroll through hundreds of posts I’ve done it for you. Here are the relevant posts for you and others if they want to check out who is being disingenuous, 67, 72, 73,74, 86 ,90( notice how I directly and specifically answered your questions) 127 (So, I guess, for me, a woman is who ever wants to claim the title) Here in 200 you reversed yourself “LOL. Change your mind? By your own words the only evidence required is that one person lays title to one of the 72. They are no more absurd than your position that a woman is anyone who “claims title” “What I meant was: if you want to call yourself that, be my guest.” Vividvividbleau
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JVL “You seem unhealthily concerned with my personal opinion which has no influence or effect just about anywhere. “ Not at all. I just want you to do what you said you would do “Vividbleau: Well I did answer your question first even though it was not a question directed to me. Rather than pick at nits as to who should go first I answered your questions and was quite specific in my answers to you. So how about doing what you said to me you would do which was to answer my question to you, which was first BTW” Now I am some kind of voyeur with an obsessive interest in your personal opinion.? I just want you to fulfill your promise which I did not force you to make. I was quite satisfied with your answer ( although I found it to be absurd) that a woman is anyone who claims title and even thanked you for your cogent response remember this? “JVL “Thank you for your honest, cogent and forthright answer to my question” That was until you reversed yourself and said that was not what you meant, then reversed yourself again and I asked for confirmation that indeed you were back to defining a woman as anyone who takes title. If you don’t want to give me your definition or confirm your original definition just say so but don’t make me the bad guy and insinuate that I have some unhealthy interest in your personal opinions. Either give me a different definition, confirm your original definition or state the obvious which is you cannot define what a woman is. Take your pick. Vividvividbleau
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https://www.liveaction.org/news/infant-bodies-infanticide-attempted-abortions/Lieutenant Commander Data
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JVL, an age where, a million of our living posterity in the womb are slaughtered every week, tainting government, law, education, courts, police, medicine, nursing and more is already beyond mere indictment as a neo-barbarian era, a dark and bloody age. Next, 4th gen war is shadow war, with a broad spectrum of means, a video camera and news report or a court case, or a street incident, or a financial investment, or a hacking attack or build up of social media dominance then imposition of censorship, or the spreading of a pandemic and exploiting it to impose agendas, or tainting elections, etc can be even more effective as operations than rolling massed panzers across borders with Me 109's and Stukas overhead. There are but few front lines, it is extremely non linear. The point of war is subjugation - or, blocking it -- and if less overt means work better at lower risk of nuke conflagration, then they are more effective. The rich rule over the poor and the borrower is a slave to the lender. Mao's coup in 1966 is a capital early case of how a civil war looks these days, cultural revolution. As for colour revolution, the theme colour for the US is black. The destabilisation and subversion in progress map closely to Egypt and I believe some of the same actors were engaged. The Ukraine 2004 report by McFaul and his wider analysis of colour revolution speak for themselves. I now doubt there was a clean colour revolution aside from maybe Philippines in the 80s. There is more. The geostrategic picture speaks, too, where the E Europe pivot area is back in active conflict, as Tsar Putin wants to get back to dominating the zone, with better economics to exploit the biggest continental base. That does not mean the Africa grab is not already in progress. ME and China's offshore belt of islands are in play too, the Taiwan grab is definitely being contemplated. The common denominator is, the US Navy is the barrier to what several geostrategic vultures want, so reduciing it to turmoil is a powerful strategic move. More can be raised. KFkairosfocus
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Ram, stolen language, the newspeak game. KFkairosfocus
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