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_{Barry Arrington

March 24, 2022

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The quote of the day comes from commenter AaronS1978. In a comment to my last post, Aaron brings to our attention MMA fighter Fallon Fox, a man posing as a woman and fighting in the woman’s division. He has smashed the faces of multiple woman. Aaron writes that in our brave new world:

beating the crap out of a woman is OK as long as you think you’re a woman

Where are the feminists?

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Kairosfocus JVL, you know the how, in accord with sound medical technique and ethics. KF
Some people can be autists so you have to go down to them and prepare your messages like for 4 years old. You should have said that the people with genetic sexual disorder should be treated as all people who have a disorder ,while all others that don't fall under this genetic disorder(but make belief insanity) should be treated as people with mental disorder with respect and understanding and not like their disorder is a virtue that should be taught to 3 years old.Lieutenant Commander Data_{March 31, 2022
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PS, it seems we need some more from the list, to understand where the 1984 newspeak ride ends:
Bigender: the feeling of having two genders either at the same time or separately; usually used to describe feeling “traditionally male” and “traditionally female”, but does not have to Biogender: a gender that feels connected to nature in some way. Blurgender: the feeling of having more than one gender that are somehow blurred together to the point of not being able to distinguish or identify individual genders; synonymous with genderfuzz Boyflux: when one feels mostly or all male most of the time but experience fluctuating intensity of male identity Burstgender: and gender that comes in intense bursts of feeling and quickly fades back to the original state Caelgender: a gender which shares qualities with outer space or has the aesthetic of space, stars, nebulas, etc. Cassgender: the feeling of gender is unimportant to you Cassflux: when the level of indifference towards your gender fluctuates Cavusgender: for people with depression; when you feel one gender when not depressed and another when depressed Cendgender: when your gender changes between one and its opposite Ceterofluid: when you are ceterogender and your feelings fluctuate between masculine, feminine, and neutral Ceterogender: a nonbinary gender with specific masculine, feminine, or neutral feelings Cisgender: the feeling of being the gender you were assigned at birth, all the time (assigned (fe)male/feeling (fe)male) Cloudgender: a gender that cannot be fully realized or seen clearly due to depersonalization/derealization disorder Collgender: the feeling of having too many genders simultaneously to describe each one Colorgender: a gender associated with one or more colors and the feelings, hues, emotions, and/or objects associated with that color; may be used like pinkgender, bluegender, yellowgender
I repeat, there are no nine sided hexagons.kairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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JVL, does, find a sound solid doctor with technical competence and good ethics then work with him or her mean anything to you? Do you want me to give my short list of docs I trust with my life or my nearest and dearest? I'll just say, it starts with a former chief minister and outright genius, has on it a professor of the University of Havana [older Uni by far than ANY US University], also includes a doc who made his own office furniture and set up his own computer network 25 years ago, and goes on from there. It is clear you want a fishing expedition. You have my answer, on substance. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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Sc et al, I'll stand up to anyone on the coherence of my worldview. Since you know what it is, you think -- do you remember the actual outline I gave only to meet a poof response? -- do, pray thee, inform us as to why and how it is irretrievably incoherent and thus necessarily false. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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Kairosfocus: JVL, you know the how, in accord with sound medical technique and ethics. You haven't specified what you would advocate doing. Just be clear so we all know what you're thinking.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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PS: More of the 112 genders:
Androgyne: sometimes used in the case of “androgynous presentation”; describes the feeling of being a mix of both masculine and feminine (and sometimes neutral) gender qualities Anesigender: feeling like a certain gender yet being more comfortable identifying with another Angenital: a desire to be without primary sexual characteristics, without necessarily being genderless; one may be both angenital and identify as any other gender alongside Anogender: a gender that fades in and out but always comes back to the same feeling Anongender: a gender that is unknown to both yourself and others Antegender: a protean gender which has the potential to be anything, but is formless and motionless, and therefore, does not manifest as any particular gender Anxiegender: a gender that is affected by anxiety Apagender: a feeling of apathy towards ones gender which leads to them not looking any further into it Apconsugender: a gender where you know what it isn’t, but not what it is; the gender is hiding itself from you Astergender: a gender that feels bright and celestial Astralgender: a gender that feels connected to space Autigender: a gender that can only be understood in the context of being autistic (POSSIBLE TRIGGER WARNING) Autogender: a gender experience that is deeply personal to oneself Axigender: when a person experiences two genders that sit on opposite ends of an axis; one being agender and the other being any other gender; these genders are experienced one at a time with no overlapping and with very short transition time.
And you thought gender was a synonym for sex. Not, in the hands of the jacobins. Again, there are no nine sided hexagons.kairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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Sc, first, gender as used by too many is a socio-psychological construct not an objective reality; as the excerpt from the list of 112 shows beyond responsible doubt. Sex, is objective and what you wish to side step is that it is determined by the XY system for humans (up to a cluster of breakdowns which are rare and derivative from XY), we are not like groupers which DO change sex. This, manifestly, is a typical case of blind with half-science, in pursuit of agendas that cannot stand on their own merits: destroy the general understanding that human beings come in two complementary sexes, which are set from conception in the normal case. But then, we are also in a day and age where a million of our living posterity in the womb are killed per week, on a baseline of 1.4 billions, already the worst holocaust in history, and a key aspect of this is to dehumanise the better to kill in job lots under colour of law, rights etc. The obvious diagnosis is, that mass blood guilt is the most corrosive of all influences. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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JVL, you know the how, in accord with sound medical technique and ethics. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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JVL: We can only wonder when they choose not to fully elucidate their beliefs. Or fail to see the conflicts.
Yes, the cognitive dissonance is quite obvious when perceived from the outside, but I don’t think that they perceive it at all.Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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Scamp: I fully agree. What I find strange is that the very same people who are most vocal about defending this approach do a complete 180 when it involves homosexuals and transgendered. We can only wonder when they choose not to fully elucidate their beliefs. Or fail to see the conflicts.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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JVL: For me I think you start with not sticking your nose into other people’s business, stuff that doesn’t concern or affect you.
I fully agree. What I find strange is that the very same people who are most vocal about defending this approach do a complete 180 when it involves homosexuals and transgendered.Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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Scamp: It seems to me that the answer is obvious. When they are old enough to make an informed decision, they can select the gender they feel most represents how they feel and avail themselves of hormone therapy and/or surgery. I quite agree as I indicated in a reply to Vividbleau. It also seems to me that this is in accordance with many of our other societal standards and goals: life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, being left alone unless we're harming someone else, etc. I'm not sure why some feel that the way we choose to use our bodies and time can be dictated to us by people we don't even know personally. But hey, we all have our views. The question is: how do we learn to live together in society? For me I think you start with not sticking your nose into other people's business, stuff that doesn't concern or affect you.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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JVL: Treated how exactly? Why won’t you answer this simple, basic question? It’s not asking you to lie, it’s asking for your honest opinion.
It seems to me that the answer is obvious. When they are old enough to make an informed decision, they can select the gender they feel most represents how they feel and avail themselves of hormone therapy and/or surgery, or opt to do nothing. Why society would accept this as an acceptable practice and wouldn’t afford transgendered the same opportunities does not make any sense. It appears that some are hung up on a person’s outward appearance, refusing to take into account the billions of other things that constitute who the person is.Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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KF @ 123-125. You responded to me with 1,373 words, none of which addressed the fact that the brain structure and activity of transgendered more resemble that of the gender they identify as than their chromosomal sex. This further demonstrates that you pick evidence that supports your worldview, and ignore any that does not. What we are is not dictated by our genitalia. Most are heterosexual. About 3% are homosexual and about 0.5% are transgendered. Nobody knows the cause of this but we do know that these are not mere "preferences", like flavours of ice cream. It is no skin off my nose to accept them as they are and support their inclusion into society as equal participants. You are free to shout from the hills that this will be the downfall of civilization but don't be surprised that most people will not view you as a sane and rational being.
there is seldom a concession by activists or enablers of radical agendas even when the most patent absurdities are exposed.
Your projection is noted.Scamp_{March 31, 2022
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Kairosfocus: There are people, rare — it seems, likely less than 2 in 10,000 — reflecting medical conditions; as I have taken time to excerpt on. Such should be recognised and duly treated in that light, Treated how exactly? Why won't you answer this simple, basic question? It's not asking you to lie, it's asking for your honest opinion.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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All it's a scam . It's an agenda that works very well as part of depopulation. People like that are damaged people who will not have a normal family or a normal life. Majority who bought this are atheists , that were previously created by the same agenda.Sandy_{March 31, 2022
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JVL, being truthful implies acknowledging the biologically driven manifest, indeed self evident reality that human reproduction and thus society pivots on the two complementary sexes [i.e. sex is reflected in generative organs and related processes of reproduction]; as I have noted and cited above. There are people, rare -- it seems, likely less than 2 in 10,000 -- reflecting medical conditions; as I have taken time to excerpt on. Such should be recognised and duly treated in that light, note, typically the cellular level will still show XY or a related pattern reflecting clear disorders of the normal structures XX or XY; we are not like groupers or clownfish which can and do change sex based on different systems, cf 101 further above etc. In addition, there are agendas that seek to destroy recognition of our sexes, and which are using genders [up to 112+] to effect a warped understanding which is destructive, misanthropic and anti civilisational. Enabling such is indefensible and power backed untruth is the foundation of injustice. For sex, marriage, family, personal biology, identity etc, it remains clear that there are no nine sided hexagons. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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JVL Thank you for your honest, cogent and forthright answer to my question. There is much there to absorb and I may take you up on your offer to ask a few questions or offer you a few observations. Thanks again. I very much appreciated your clarity. Vividvividbleau_{March 31, 2022
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Kairosfocus: There is a big difference between forcing people to become habitual liars about the basic fact that we are male and female, driven by our XX/XY chromosomes, unlike Groupers or Clownfish, and the premise that those who suffer disabilities from genetic defects suffer medical conditions. I was asking you to be truthful and honest, not to lie. You have made it very, very clear that you will not specify what kinds of medical care or interventions you would be in favour of for those individuals whose physical appearance is indeterminate so I shall stop asking you. It's too bad you didn't have at least the courtesy to admit you were dodging the question.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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Vividbleau: What is a woman? I've got a few minutes so I'll have a go: It seems pretty clear to me that it's going to be ever more a contextual issue. For the large majority of the human population in all circumstances a woman is a human being who has two X chromosomes and exhibits the external and internal organs associated with being female. So, most of the time, it's pretty clear who is a woman and who isn't. As I've been pointing out there are a few individuals whose biological sex is indeterminate and, in those cases I believe they should be allowed to self-identify when they have reached the age of consent or adulthood. For the relatively small number of people who have some kind of gender dysphoria (a British MP just recently 'came out' about his own situation and got a lot of support from the conservative government including the PM) personally, I couldn't care less what they call themselves. It doesn't affect me or my family or my self worth or anything. It's not threatening to me or my way of life. In fact, I might say, that cultural diversity in all forms is enriching and interesting. In the UK where I live there is a general, widespread acceptance of what you might call gender-bending: One of our most respected and loved comedians likes to cross-dress as does one of our most respected artists. No one here seems to think that letting people change their gender is going to bring down our civilisation or morals. In fact, I'd say just about the only place it's even an issue is in sports. (And I have to say the same kinds of concerns come up for those athletes who participate in the para-olympics; i.e. who has a real handicap and who doesn't? Some para-athletes have been accused of cheating.) The Brits sometimes even make fun of the notion; remember the sketch from The Life of Brian? Oh, I just remembered, it's also been an issue for prisons but instead of shutting down the debate it is openly discussed and debated as it should be. So, I guess, for me, a woman is who ever wants to claim the title. It doesn't affect me in any way that I can discern. I don't tell other people what kind of art to like, what kind of music to listen to, what kind of food to eat, where to take their holidays, what kind of job to accept, what brand of car, toothpaste, shampoo, computer, crisps, etc to buy, what church to attend. I don't care what kinds of clothes people wear, how long their hair is, what kind of jewellery they can wear. Why should I care what nouns and adjectives and pronouns they prefer when referring to themselves? Doesn't mean I'm always going to guess right and I reject the notion that I can be expected to always respond in their preferred way. I expect us all to be respectful and tolerant. I think the sporting organisations and the prisons have to do some real thinking and consulting with the athletes and the prisoners to figure out how they're going to handle their situations but that's up to them to decide, not me. I hope that's clear and complete. Please feel free to ask any follow-up questions. And don't think my replies to others are in any way directed at you.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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Vividbleau: Well I did answer your question first even though it was not a question directed to me. Rather than pick at nits as to who should go first I answered your questions and was quite specific in my answers to you. So how about doing what you said to me you would do which was to answer my question to you, which was first BTW Yes, of course. I shall review our exchanges a bit later in my day and do my best. And I do apologise if I have been neglectful.JVL_{March 31, 2022
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NB: The second linked in the F/N above notes,
Sex Sex is objective, identifiable and immutable biology, thus within the realm of science. Biological sex is established at conception, declared in utero, and recognized or not at birth. Every nucleated cell in our bodies has a sex. There are only two gametes, sperm and egg, that participate in the generation of new life. There is no third gamete active in that process. Sex differences are real and of consequence. More than 6,500 shared genes are expressed differently in human males and females. These differences impact our brains; organ systems; propensity for developing certain diseases; differing responses to drugs, toxins and pain; contrasting cognitive and emotional processes; behavior; and more. To offer one example, sotalol has triple the likelihood of provoking torsades de pointes in women compared to men. Sex matters. Gender Gender is an engineered term that reportedly debuted in the academic literature in 1955 in an article addressing “hermaphroditism” (as it was then known) by psychiatrist Dr. John Money of John Hopkins University . . . Gender identity refers to self-perception and feelings that are subjective and prone to change. Gender is most often used as a sex stereotype. My point is this: nouns have gender; people have a sex. Intersex, Round Two The nomenclature “intersex” acknowledges something between two sexes and not a third sex. The term is intersex and not “extrasex,” therefore acknowledging the binary nature of human sex. Biological sex rarely may be phenotypically unclear in a given individual, but this does not represent a third one. Evolutionary biologist Colin Wright rejects the “sex is a spectrum” mantra with clear reasoning: “a spectrum implies a continuous distribution, and maybe even an amodal one (one in which no specific outcome is more likely than others). Biological sex in humans, however, is clear-cut over 99.98 percent of the time.” Dr. Wright continues, “any method exhibiting a predictive accuracy of over 99.98 percent would place it among the most precise methods in all the life sciences. We revise medical care practices and change world economic plans on far lower confidence than that.” Intersex/DSD is Not Gender Dysphoria or Trans-identification Intersex is not a subjective ideation. There is always an objective underlying medical origin. The DSM-5 Gender Dysphoria criteria states: “Specify if: With a disorder of sex development (e.g., a congenital adrenogenital disorder such as 255.2 [E25.0] congenital adrenal hyperplasia or 259.50 [E34.50] androgen insensitivity syndrome).” Intersex is what they mean, and it is different than gender dysphoria. Intersex/DSD is Rare Wildly inflated claims of the prevalence of DSD are common, but untrue. Dr. Leonard Sax exposed the source of some of this in his article, “How common is intersex.” Dr. Sax writes that Anne Fausto-Sterling asserted in her 2000 book Sexing the Body: Gender Politics and the Construction of Sexuality that intersex totaled 1.7 percent of human births. However, Sax shows that she included in her calculations common conditions having nothing to do with DSD. Dr. Sax notes that congenital adrenal hyperplasia and complete androgen insensitivity syndrome are the most common DSDs, which is in keeping with the previously stated DSM-5 Gender Dysphoria specification. Dr. Sax concludes that DSD/Intersex, “far from being ‘a fairly common phenomenon,’ is actually a rare event, occurring in fewer than two out of every 10,000 births.” [--> shades of the "10%" claims made decades ago] Similarly, a 1992 Danish study found their rate of “testicular feminization syndrome” to be 1:20,400. A 2001 Dutch study stated their rate of androgen insensitivity syndrome “with molecular proof of the diagnosis is 1:99,000.” And a 2016 Danish study examining all their known 46XY karyotype females (androgen insensitivity syndrome) born since 1960 found the prevalence at 6.4 per 100,000 live born females. Intersex/DSD is rare.
So, we find:
a: rare medical disorders that may need management and care, b: which, are being blended into activism pivoting on taking the grammatical concept gender and turning it into a wedge for creating an array of psychosocial identities. In turn, c: those psychosocial assertions and agendas are used to try to manipulate us into denying the manifest biological reality of our two sexes. But, d: it remains, that our sex determination system on XY, founds male and female sexes pivotal to reproduction. _________________________________ CONCL 1: There is no good reason to deny the manifest reality of maleness and femaleness 2: We recognise developmental disorder linked, rare conditions -- it seems of order 2 in 10,000 or lower -- and respond through the blessings of modern medicine, with concern and care. 3: We similarly accept that people may exhibit different psychosocial feelings, thoughts, imaginings etc in response to our sexes and the like, however 4: we must first refuse to become habitual liars in response to power games and mainstreaming agendas, as power backed untruth is foundational to injustice [see Havel's greengrocer, or 1984, or the fate of Milada Horakova etc], where, too 5: sex and sex linked stable family structures are pivotal to the healthy future of individuals and of our race. 6: Similarly, rights are binding moral claims that others have duties towards us, where there can be no just duty to taint sound conscience; accordingly, one may only justly claim a right where one is manifestly in the right. 7: This consideration is often dismissed by radicals pursuing agendas, but it is a key consideration for the civil peace of justice, due balance of rights, freedoms and duties. 8: On evidence, for cause, we may freely conclude this criterion has not been met in this and related cases, which has provoked needless civilisational conflict and may trigger fatal disaffection. 9: Freedom is not licence.
Again, there are no nine sided hexagons.kairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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PS: Let me clip from the opening part of the list as given:
Abimegender: a gender that is profound, deep, and infinite; meant to resemble when one mirror is reflecting into another mirror creating an infinite paradox Adamasgender: a gender which refuses to be categorized Aerogender: a gender that is influenced by your surroundings Aesthetigender: a gender that is derived from an aesthetic; also known as videgender Affectugender: a gender that is affected by mood swings Agender: the feeling of no gender/absence of gender or neutral gender Agenderflux: being mostly agender except having small shifts towards other genders making them demigenders (because of the constancy of being agender) Alexigender: a gender that is fluid between more than one gender but the individual cannot tell what those genders are Aliusgender: a gender which is removed from common gender descriptors and guidelines Amaregender: a gender that changes depending on who you’re in love with Ambigender: defined as having the feeling of two genders simultaneously without fluctuation; meant to reflect the concept of being ambidextrous, only with gender . . . ___________ F/N: See discussions of real development disorders and causes here and here.
It goes downhill from there, despite what the Aldermen of Nashua etc may have said recently. There are no nine sided hexagons.kairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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Sc, this is beyond mere exchanges of comments on the Internet, where -- on observation -- there is seldom a concession by activists or enablers of radical agendas even when the most patent absurdities are exposed. Instead, key aspects of our nature are being manipulated by radicals and enabled by many. Here, we can simply note again, that you have no answer to the fact that humans have sex "determined" by the XY chromosome system, while Groupers for example -- which can and do change sex -- and other kinds of creatures use different systems. Further to which, there are medical conditions where people have differences from the standard development, usually with damaging effects. A respect for truth, then, would acknowledge the fact that we come in two complementary sexes, and that there are those with differences that are often medically significant. The current radical push to undermine maleness and femaleness through playing word games with gender, is ill founded and manifestly damaging despite pretences to the contrary, there is a reason why even our names are given in recognition of our two sexes. Last I looked, there were 112 different "genders" on the table, with definitions that manifestly reflect absurdity. So, I note that we still cannot find a nine sided hexagon. KFkairosfocus_{March 31, 2022
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KF: We may therefore freely infer, for cause, that you have implicitly ceded the matter on the merits.
If it is the only way for you to you to win an argument, feel free to infer whatever nonsense you would like. But I notice that you have not addressed the observation on the table that the brain structure and activity of the transgendered resemble more that of the gender they identify as than they do their chromosomal sex. You have a tendency to only allow facts that support your predetermined worldview to be placed on the table. Myself and an ever increasing majority of the population accept and support the transgendered and their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And I am quite comfortable with this. That this idea gives you the willies is your problem, not mine or theirs.Scamp_{March 30, 2022
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Sc, let's put relevant context on the table. At 101, I put on the table a summary of the sex determining systems that have been observed, which underscores the significance of the XX/XY system for humans. If you had a cogent rebuttal, you would have given it. You chose instead to try the snip, snipe rhetorical distractor . . . an observation. We may therefore freely infer, for cause, that you have implicitly ceded the matter on the merits. We are back at, there are no nine sided hexagons. KFkairosfocus_{March 30, 2022
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JVL, has it occurred to you, that I have said enough to answer the matter and do not need to go out on further details on tangent after tangent? There is a big difference between forcing people to become habitual liars about the basic fact that we are male and female, driven by our XX/XY chromosomes, unlike Groupers or Clownfish, and the premise that those who suffer disabilities from genetic defects suffer medical conditions. There is nothing dictatorial or bigoted in pointing those out. And, it is pretty clear who have been playing 1984 games. KFkairosfocus_{March 30, 2022
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“But using the bathroom of their identified sex or expecting others to address them by their preferred name and pronoun are not causing harm to others.” Who cares if they violate the privacy rights of women says a man. “Separate places to disrobe, sleep, perform personal bodily functions are permitted, in some situations required, by regard for individual privacy. Individual privacy, a right of constitutional dimension, is appropriately harmonized with the equality principle.” Privacy and equality are not mutually exclusive. In fact, upholding the former is essential to preserving the latter—especially for women.” Ruth Bader Ginsburg Vividvividbleau_{March 30, 2022
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JVL “By the way, from past experience, I’m quite sure if I answer first you never will. ‘Cause that’s what you’re like. Shame the evo-fool, that’s your game. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.” Well I did answer your question first even though it was not a question directed to me. Rather than pick at nits as to who should go first I answered your questions and was quite specific in my answers to you. So how about doing what you said to me you would do which was to answer my question to you, which was first BTW “ JVL “When you address my query I shall be glad to address yours.” VB “You never asked me a question however I will take the high road and address your query to KF when I have some time”vividbleau_{March 30, 2022
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WJM: Scamp @97: I direct my posts at those whom I think I will most enjoy interacting with on the subject at hand, and who haven’t indicated they do not value/respect my participation here (including those who have indicated they prefer I don’t interact with them at all.)
Not a problem. I just thought that you intended your comment for someone else. As I have mentioned, I accept and support transgendered to lead their lives as they see fit, as long as it does no harm to others. To me, transgendered competing in women’s sports is causing harm. But using the bathroom of their identified sex or expecting others to address them by their preferred name and pronoun are not causing harm to others.Scamp_{March 30, 2022
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