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Michael Behe writes:

The more science progresses, the more hapless Darwin seems.

In my 2019 book Darwin Devolves I showed that random mutation and natural selection are powerful de-volutionary forces. That is, they quickly lead to the loss of genetic information. The reason is that, in many environmental circumstances, a species’ lot can be improved most quickly by breaking or blunting pre-existing genes. To get the point across, I used an analogy to a quick way to improve a car’s gas mileage — remove the hood, throw out the doors, get rid of any excess weight. That will help the car go further, but it also reduces the number of features of the car. And it sure doesn’t explain how any of those now-jettisoned parts got there in the first place.

Image credit: Thomas Quine, CC BY 2.0 , via Wikimedia Commons.

The Bottom Line

The same goes for biology. Helpful mutations that arrive most quickly are very much more likely to degrade genetic features than to construct new ones. The featured illustration in Darwin Devolves was the polar bear, which has accumulated a number of beneficial mutations since it branched off from the brown bear a few hundred thousand years ago. Yet the large majority of those beneficial mutations were degradative — they broke or damaged pre-existing genes. For example, a gene involved in fur pigmentation was damaged, rendering the beast white — that helped; another gene involved in fat metabolism was degraded, allowing the animal to consume lots of seal blubber, its main food in the Arctic — that helped, too. Those mutations were good for the species in the moment — they did improve its chances of survival. But degradative mutations don’t explain how the functioning genes got there in the first place. Even worse, the relentless burning of genetic information to adapt to a changing environment will make a species evolutionarily brittle and more prone to extinction. The bottom line: Although random mutation and natural selection help a species adapt, Darwinian processes can’t account for the origins of sophisticated biological systems.

In Darwin Devolves, I also mentioned work on DNA extracted from frozen woolly mammoth carcasses that showcased devolution: “26 genes were shown to be seriously degraded, many of which (as with polar bear) were involved in fat metabolism, critical in the extremely cold environments that the mammoth roamed.” It turns out that was an underestimate. A new paper1 that has sequenced DNA from several more woolly mammoth remains says the true number is more than triple that — 87 genes broken compared to their elephant relatives. 

There’s Lots More

The point is that these gene losses aren’t side shows — they are the events that transformed an elephant into a mammoth, that adapted the animal to its changing environment. A job well done, yes, but now those genes are gone forever, unavailable to help with the next change of environment. Perhaps that contributed to eventual mammoth extinction.

As quoted above, the mammoth authors note that gene losses can be adaptive, and they cited a paper that I hadn’t seen before. I checked it out and it’s a wonderful laboratory evolution study of yeast.2 Helsen et al. (2020) used a collection of yeast strains in which one of each different gene in the genome had been knocked out. They grew the knockout yeast in a stressful environment and watched to see how the microbes evolved to handle it. Many of the yeast strains, with different genes initially knocked out, recovered, and some even surpassed the fitness of wild-type yeast under the circumstances. The authors emphasized the fact of the evolutionary recovery. However, they also clearly stated (but don’t seem to have noticed the importance of the fact) that all of the strains rebounded by breaking other genes, ones that had been intact at the beginning of the experiment. None built anything new, all of them devolved.

Well, Duh

That’s hardly a surprise. At least in retrospect, it’s easy to see that devolution must happen — for the simple reason that helpful degradative mutations are more plentiful than helpful constructive ones and thus arrive more quickly for natural selection to multiply. The more recent results recounted here just pile more evidence onto that gathered in Darwin Devolves showing Darwin’s mechanism is powerfully devolutionary. That simple realization neatly explains results ranging from the evolutionary behavior of yeast in a comfy modern laboratory, to the speciation of megafauna in raw nature millions of years ago, and almost certainly to everything in between.

References

  1. Van der Valk, Tom, et al. 2022. Evolutionary consequences of genomic deletions and insertions in the woolly mammoth genome. iScience 25, 104826.
  2. Helsen, J. et al. 2020. Gene loss predictably drives evolutionary adaptation. Molecular Biology and Evolution 37, 2989–3002.

Behe’s conclusions have significant implications: evolutionary adaptation seems to progress by breaking existing genes in such a way as to confer a survival advantage in a niche environment; the result is a more “brittle” species with fewer options for surviving further environmental stresses; the mystery of the origin of the original genes is in no way explained by natural means at any step in the process. Rather than Darwinian evolution providing a mechanism for the “origin of the species,” it more adequately explains the demise of species.

Comments
Asauber: There is evidence that God exists. But you won’t allow it. That’s where the problem is. It's not a question of allowing it, it's a question of how credible and solid the evidence is. I haven't seen any evidence that is very credible and solid. What do you want me to say?JVL
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JVL, an extensive SETI signal has been observed. But it is not beaming in from space, it is in the heart of the cell. KFkairosfocus
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LtComData: It’s a battle of beliefs but why materialists would lie about their beliefs as being science unless they think that without this lie they have no chance in this battle of beliefs . I'm not lying or trying to hide anything. There are things science hasn't figure out yet and regarding those things I say: we don't know yet. I think there is credible evidence that simpler life forms begat more complicated ones, that unguided evolution is correct. I don't know how life began and we may never know for sure. But I suspect we will come up with some plausible ways it might have started. Again, when we don't know things I say: we don't know. I don't say: well, it must have happened this way or that way. As evidence starts to favour one explanation over another then one might say: it looks like the following is currently the most likely scenario. Certainty exists only in mathematics.JVL
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"I’ve just seen no convincing evidence any gods exist." Troll, There is evidence that God exists. But you won't allow it. That's where the problem is. Andrewasauber
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Asauber: “In the beginning, God…” Documented. You just don’t like it. I've just seen no convincing evidence any gods exist. And there's other questions even if one accepts God as a credible agent. But when I ask them all I hear is: God can do anything, even violate the laws of nature (s)he came up with. Which isn't really an answer; it's just saying: no matter what question you have God can do that. It's certainly not scientific; you can't test that in a lab or predictably observe it in action. Again, if it's just a matter of faith, well, that's fine. That's your faith. I've got no beef with faith. I have some very good friends who have deep and abiding faith. It sustains them and gives them hope and peace. Great. But they've told me: faith is not science and faith must follow the science. And I'd add: especially if you think God made science possible. Anyway, you can't tease out the actions of a god, they don't follow laws, they are not predictable. So, their actions are not part of our repeatable and observer independent knowledge. Gods are not part of science. Perhaps the origin of science is a god, I've seen no physical evidence that that is the case. But assuming it is true it doesn't make the knowledge gained from scientific endeavours invalid or that we should assume miracles without checking things out first.JVL
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Materialist: I see no God therefore matter must produce life(chaos must produce functional information)=belief but materialists call it "science". Theist: I see no matter that produce life therefore God must produce life. =belief that theists admit it as belief . It's a battle of beliefs but why materialists would lie about their beliefs as being science unless they think that without this lie they have no chance in this battle of beliefs . When you see somebody is trying to cheat that means he feels unsecure and has something to hide ;) Both use intelligence for a goal(to justify that his own belief is true=he is not a liar=he is a moral person). A materialist has already lost when uses intelligence , purpose and ethics to prove his point of view) .Lieutenant Commander Data
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"If you know of any that would fit the time (when exactly?) and abilities (what exactly?) then please elucidate." Troll, "In the beginning, God..." Documented. You just don't like it. Andrewasauber
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Asauber: You are a tiny speck who only observes an infinitesimal fraction of what’s available. I doubt you are an authority on available agents. If you know of any that would fit the time (when exactly?) and abilities (what exactly?) then please elucidate.JVL
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"Not given the lack of available agents no, I do not." Troll, You are a tiny speck who only observes an infinitesimal fraction of what's available. I doubt you are an authority on available agents. Andrewasauber
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Kairosfocus: who as you know full well — it was noted — do not exhaust possible language using, algorithm constructing designers I've seen no even mildly compelling evidence that any others exist. I don't deny that they MIGHT exist but the universe is big, really big. the suggestion you invite is an abuse of the logic of induction: we exemplify such designers, there is no reason to exhaust possibilities for such . . . rather, we confirm that possibility We confirm we exist and the possibility that similar beings exist on another planet far, far away. The possibility. and, signs of design become evidence that a capable designer was acting, so this is a closed minded question begging fallacy too I don't agree with your design inference and I see no other supporting evidence for your design hypothesis. having rejected warranting evidence, without good reason to identify another class of capable cause, you rule out what is warranted. I think your design inference is incorrect. And I think you have no other evidence of a designer around . . . when was it? And they did what exactly? chance + necessity absent intelligence have never been shown to have capability to create FSCO/I. You left out the cumulative selection part. Naughty, naughty, you misrepresented the argument you're contesting. You're not arguing in good faith. When you can reply to what unguided evolutionary theory actually says then maybe more people will take you seriously.JVL
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Asauber: But you do observe what could be design in nature, don’t you? Not given the lack of available agents no, I do not. Also, there is a credible alternate explanation that has multiple lines of evidence consistent with it. Also, that explanation is gaining supportive data all the time. Also, that explanation only depends on processes and effects we have observed to exist and not some mysterious, undefined and unobserved benefactor who did what exactly? When exactly? How exactly? Look, if you want to say: I believe in my heart of hearts that it was the God of the Christian Bible that's fine, that's your faith and faith is not science. I'm not going to argue against faith. But I am going to look at actual data.JVL
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PS, chance + necessity absent intelligence have never been shown to have capability to create FSCO/I. What demonstrably has such capability, you find a fallacious reason to infer as not possible antecedent to us, then you try to conclude that the evidently incapable must really be capable.kairosfocus
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JVL, a quick comment on a key fallacy: >>Again, the only agents we have observed designing such systems are humans.>> - who as you know full well -- it was noted -- do not exhaust possible language using, algorithm constructing designers - the suggestion you invite is an abuse of the logic of induction: we exemplify such designers, there is no reason to exhaust possibilities for such . . . rather, we confirm that possibility - there are entire genres in literature on that subject so absent separate good reason to rule out such, fallacy - and, signs of design become evidence that a capable designer was acting, so this is a closed minded question begging fallacy too >> We know of no other agents with that capacity. >> - Error Carried forward: - having rejected warranting evidence, without good reason to identify another class of capable cause, you rule out what is warranted. Fail. KFkairosfocus
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"Again, no designers of sufficiently high skills aside from humans have been observed and documented." Troll, But you do observe what could be design in nature, don't you? Andrewasauber
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Relatd: Steve Jackson will be at Dragon Con. Glad he's still around. I remember he put out a lot of games in the 80s. Did he do a science fiction RPG? Did he do Bushido?JVL
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Asauber: I would say, due to a list of factors (the number of sides, how many times you roll, the balance of the die…) the variation 20 when required is a limited event. That doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I was saying.JVL
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Kairosfocus: So, if we find coded information and especially algorithms, these are reliable signs of such intelligently directed configuration. We have billions of cases of such coded algorighms and similar texts by design per observation, and once we have sufficient complexity, nil by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity. Again, the only agents we have observed designing such systems are humans. We know of no other agents with that capacity. So, should we then say as we have not directly seen chance and necessity acting in the remote past, we should rule them out as causes? See the double standard? Ridiculous. We've seen them working in the present and recorded past and there's no reason to think they weren't present in the past. However, there is good reason to limit the time that humans with algorithmic skills have been around with the requisite skills and equipment for creating living systems. In fact, we aren't even there yet. Again, no designers of sufficiently high skills aside from humans have been observed and documented.JVL
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WJM: IOW, you are in no position to claim that the evidence supports your view; that’s entirely a false representation on your part. The only actual claim you can make is that people you have confidence in have said that the evidence supports that view. However, people that IDists have confidence in have said that the evidence points to ID. Your claim of supportive evidence, like your claim of “widely supported and accepted” has no more intrinsic value than similar claims by similar IDists. That's a mighty big assumption on your part (that I have no pertinent expertise or knowledge) AND your argument is a veiled appeal to authority. I assume you will apply the same standards to yourself and everyone else who comments here? IOW, nature has a fundamentally different process than selective breeding, but you argue as if it should not be surprising that an undirected process produces the same results from the same starting materials. IOW, it should not be surprising to us if a tornado passing through a Home Depot produces a finished home with doors, windows, working plumbing, etc., the same as a team of intelligent people directing those materials towards an end goal. Nice misunderstanding of what I was saying. Are you an actual expert in the field of logic and argumentation or are you just mimicking things others have said? The tornado metaphor is not even close considering that evolution via unguided processes or selective breeding depends on cumulative selection; in other words, small steps and not a giant one-time event. Funny that you disregard that basic concept. Clearly you are not an expert on evolutionary processes. Sounds like your just repeating things you've heard other people say. Funny that.JVL
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Thanks for the clip, Lieutenant Commander Data. Great insights! -QQuerius
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I’ve been commenting here on and off and depending whose hand was on the ban button since 2005
I know, I’ve been commenting here since 2006. I’m well aware you go back far in time on UD. It just that you suddenly reappeared asking for a reasonable discussion. I personally hadn’t seen you comment in years. But the request for a reasonable discussion was disingenuous as your answers have been anything but responsive and what is commented on is at best inconsequential.jerry
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY8aFSY2zv4&t=6133sLieutenant Commander Data
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. . . and you are demonstrating that you have learned little or nothing in sixteen years. Sadly revealing. Sad.kairosfocus
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Wow, all the comments! And as JVL was being fried up for breakfast (smells like baloney), I learned that blatantly racist, archaic, popular science fantasies need to be disproved rather than ever proved. So, the idea that complexity naturally and automatically ratchets itself up through some undiscovered force of nature, though never shown, must be disproved. Well, experiments by John Needham, Francisco Redi, Lazzaro Spallanzani, and Louis Pasteur have already famously done so to disprove spontaneous abiogenic generation. Many, many discoveries and observations have falsified Darwinism. Famously, the coelecanth was supposedly a land animal that was evolving into a fish some 70 million years ago, but was found *miraculously preserved* from evolutionary change over all those millions of years! Imagine that! Many other "living fossils" have been discovered as well. A century ago, Darwinists came up with over a hundred so-called vestigial organs--predicted vestiges of evolutionary processes in progress--including ductless glands such as the thyroid. Good theories are able to make predictions. Darwinism only "predicts" things in retrospect. So, do you believe in Ernst Haekel's theory (a follower of Darwin) that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny? Does it not make sense that embryonic development gets extended as an organism evolves? If not, then how was it disproved to your satisfaction? My challenge is directed to Darwinists to demonstrate their theory in action. Would my negative results for these three experiments change your beliefs or would you simply say that I didn't wait long enough or use the right chemicals ad infinitum? -QQuerius
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Alan Fox is the perfect example. He appeared here a short time ago saying he wanted a reasonable discussion.
I've been commenting here on and off and depending whose hand was on the ban button since 2005.Alan Fox
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No. I saw it when it came out, I just never had an interest. Steve Jackson will be at Dragon Con.relatd
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"I played D&D and other RPGs." Relatd, Ever play Car Wars? ;) Andrewasauber
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Do NOT use the idiotic phrase “Climate Change”. Jerry, Indeed. It's a nonsensical combination of words. Useful for marketing in product campaigns. Like "new and improved". Loses more meaning every time you employ it. Andrewasauber
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Andrew at 320, I played D&D and other RPGs. Rolling a 20-sided is limited. Those 4-sideds. I never got used to them :)relatd
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"let’s look at rolling a 20-sided die" Troll, I was a D & D Player (and DungeonMaster) back in high school and for a little while after. So I had a few 20-sided among those dice sets. Even in the context of dice, how often do you roll a 20 when you need it? I would say, due to a list of factors (the number of sides, how many times you roll, the balance of the die...) the variation 20 when required is a limited event. Andrewasauber
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JVL, it continues: >>I haven’t seen any non-human designer at all (except some animals on earth)>> 1: and it is precisely to explain the unobserved, and to us unobservable, past of origins that we developed historical sciences. I remind . . . for record, you paid it not the slightest heed hitherto . . . of Title, vol 3, Principles of Geology:
PRINCIPLES OF GEOLOGY: BEING AN INQUIRY HOW FAR THE FORMER CHANGES OF THE EARTH’S SURFACE ARE REFERABLE TO CAUSES NOW IN OPERATION. [--> appeal to Newton's Rules, in the title of the work] BY CHARLES LYELL, Esq, F.R.S. PRESIDENT OF THE GEOLOGICAL SOCIETY OF LONDON . . . JOHN MURRAY , , , 1835 [--> later, publisher of Origin]
2: Newton's point was, to control unbridled speculation, we insist on like causes like, so we only use causes known to cause substantially the same effect as traces from remote space or in this case remote past beyond human record. 3: We know and routinely observe language using algorithm creating designers, with the process, intelligently directed configuration . . . such as your own objections; and 4: at least, those not hopelessly indoctrinated will readily recognise that we do not exhaust that category. 5: So, if we find coded information and especially algorithms, these are reliable signs of such intelligently directed configuration. We have billions of cases of such coded algorighms and similar texts by design per observation, and once we have sufficient complexity, nil by blind chance and/or mechanical necessity. 6: Analysis of search challenge in large config spaces makes it plausible that this is as we should expect. 7: We observe said phenomenon in the living cell, and it is credible that traces to the original cell. So, we infer on sign to signified plausible cause by intelligently directed configuration. 8: Where, just the opposite of your selective hyperskepticism, this is then reasonable evidence pointing to entities with language using intelligence, deep knowledge of polymer chemistry and ability to create and effect algorithms. >> let alone one that is capable of the things you list.>> 9: So, should we then say as we have not directly seen chance and necessity acting in the remote past, we should rule them out as causes? See the double standard? >>How is it that design is a ‘better’ explanation when we’ve never seen or observed the designer?>> 10: As you full well know or could readily confirm, but rhetorically choose to object to, on the logic of inference to the best explanation on causes shown to have capability. >>Aside from the fact that no one can say when design was implemented.>> 11: At least, you are willing to question conventional dates, which are a lot less firmly established than the inference just noted. KFkairosfocus
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