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L&FP, 63: Do design thinkers, theists and the like “always” make bad arguments because they are “all” ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked?

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Dawkins’ barbed blanket dismissiveness comes up far too often in discussions of the design inference and related themes. Rarely, explicitly, most often by implication of a far too commonly seen no concessions, selectively hyperskeptical policy that objectors to design too often manifest. It is time to set this straight.

First, we need to highlight fallacious, crooked yardstick thinking (as exposed by naturally straight and upright plumb-lines). And yes, that classical era work, the Bible, is telling:

Notice, a pivotal point here, is self-evident truths. Things, similar to 2 + 3 = 5:

Notoriously, Winston Smith in 1984 is put on the rack to break his mind to conform to The Party’s double-think. He is expected to think 2 + 2 = whatever The Party needs at the moment, suppressing the last twisted answer, believing that was always the case, while simultaneously he must know that manifestly 2 + 2 = 4 on pain of instant absurdity. This is of course a toy example but it exposes the way crooked yardstick thinking leads to chaos:

Of Lemmings, marches of folly and cliffs of self-falsifying absurdity . . .

(Yes, real lemmings do not act like that. But, humans . . . that’s a whole other story.)

So, now, let us turn to a recent barbed remark by one of our frequent objectors and my reply, laying out a frame of thought and inviting correction — dodged, of course:

KF, 120 in the Foundations thread: [[It is now clear that SG is unwilling to substantially back up the one liner insinuation he made at 84 above, try making a good argument. Accordingly, let me respond in outline, for record, to the general case, that people like us are ignorant, stupid, insane or wicked and the associated zero concessions, selectively hyperskeptical dismissiveness policy. Here, I will show the rational responsibility of the design inference and related ideas, views and approaches, for record and reference:

I will use steps of thought:

1: Reason, in general: Notice, supporters and fellow travellers of evolutionary materialistic scientism undermine the responsible, rational freedom required for reason to be credible. They tend to discount and discredit objectors, but in fact their arguments and assertions are self-referentially incoherent, especially reduction of mind to computationalism on a wetware substrate. Reppert is right to point out, following Haldane and others:

. . . let us suppose that brain state A [–> notice, state of a wetware, electrochemically operated computational substrate], which is token identical to the thought that all men are mortal, and brain state B, which is token identical to the thought that Socrates is a man, together cause the belief [–> concious, perceptual state or disposition] that Socrates is mortal. It isn’t enough for rational inference that these events be those beliefs, it is also necessary that the causal transaction be in virtue of the content of those thoughts . . . [But] if naturalism is true, then the propositional content is irrelevant to the causal transaction that produces the conclusion, and [so] we do not have a case of rational inference. In rational inference, as Lewis puts it, one thought causes another thought not by being, but by being seen to be, the ground for it. But causal transactions in the brain occur in virtue of the brain’s being in a particular type of state that is relevant to physical causal transactions.

2: This extends to Marx’s class/cultural conditioning, to Freud’s potty training etc, to Skinner’s operant conditioning , to claims my genes made me do it, and many more. So, irrationality and undermining of the credibility of reason are a general issue for such supporters and fellow travellers, it is unsurprising to see projection to the despised other (a notorious defence mechanism) and linked failure to engage self referentiality.

3: First principles of right reason: Classically, the core of reason starts with distinct identity, excluded middle, non contradiction. Something x is what it is i/l/o its core characteristics, nothing can be both x and not x in the same sense and circumstances, any y in W = {x| ~x} will be x, ~x, not both or neither. And more. Claimed quantum counter examples etc actually are rooted in reasoning that relies on such. And yes, there have been enough objections that this has come up and is in UD’s Weak Argument Correctives. We leave it to objectors like SG to tell us whether they acknowledge such first principles of right reason: _______ and explain why ________ .

4: Self evidence: There are arguments that, once we have enough experience and maturity to understand [a sometimes big if], will be seen as true, as necessarily true and as true on pain of immediate absurdities on attempted denial. That error exists is a good case in point, and if one is able to see that the attempt to deny objectivity of knowledge for a given reasonably distinct field of thought such as morals or history or reality [metaphysics], or the physical world, or external reality, or in general, etc, one is claiming to objectively know something about that field and so refutes oneself.

5: self referential incoherence and question begging: We just saw an example of how arguments and arguers can include themselves in the zone of reference of an argument in ways that undermine it, often by implying a contradiction. Such arguments defeat themselves. Question begging is different, it assumes, suggests or imposes what should be shown and for which there are responsible alternatives. Arguments can be question begging, and then may turn out to be self refuting.

6: Deduction, induction, abduction (inference to the best [current] explanation [IBE]) and weak-form knowledge: Deduction uses logical validity to chain from givens to conclusions, where if givens are so and the chain valid, conclusions must also be true. Absent errors of reasoning, the debate rapidly becomes one over why the givens. Induction, modern sense, is about degree of support for conclusions i/l/o evidence of various kinds as opposed to demonstration, statistics, history, science, etc are common contexts. Abduction, especially IBE, compares live option alternatives and what they imply, on factual adequacy, coherence and balance of explanatory power, to choose the best explanation so far. In this context weak sense common knowledge is warranted, credibly true (so, reliable) belief. Which, is open to correction or revision and extension.

7: Worldviews context: Why accept A? B. But why B? C, etc. We see that we face infinite regress, or circularity or finitely remote first plausibles . . . which, frame our faith points . . . as we set out to understand our world. Infinite regress is impossible to traverse in reasoning or in cause effect steps, so we set it aside, we are forced to have finitely remote start points to reasoning and believing, warranting and knowing — first plausibles that define our views of the world. Thus, we all live by faith, the question is which, why; so, whether it is rational/reasonable and responsible. Where, too, all serious worldview options bristle with difficulties, hence the point that philosophy is the discipline that studies hard, basic questions. Question begging circles are a challenge, answered through comparative difficulties across factual adequacy, coherence and balance of explanatory power: elegantly simple, neither ad hoc nor simplistic.

[Let’s add an illustration:]

A summary of why we end up with foundations for our worldviews, whether or not we would phrase the matter that way}

[or in Aristotle’s words:]

8: Failure of evolutionary materialistic scientism and fellow traveller views: It will be evident already, that, while institutionally and culturally dominant, evolutionary materialistic scientism and fellow travellers are profoundly and irretrievably incoherent. Yes, a view backed by institutions, power brokers in the academy, the education system and the media can be irretrievably, fatally cracked from its roots.

9: Logic of being (and of structure and quantity), also possible worlds: Ontology and her grand child, Mathematics, grow out of core philosophy, particularly distinct identity and consideration of possible worlds. A possible world, w, is a sufficiently complete description of how our world or another conceivable or even actual world is or may be; i.e. a cluster of core, world describing propositions. In that context, a candidate being or entity or even state of affairs, c, can be impossible of being [e.g. a Euclidean plane square circle] or possible. Possible beings may be contingent [actual in at least one possible world but not all] or necessary [present in every possible world]. We and fires are contingent, dependent for existence on many independent, prior factors; what begins or may cease of existence is contingent. Necessary beings are best seen as part of the fabric or framework for this or any possible world. We can show that distinct identity implies two-ness, thence 0, 1, 2. Ponder, W = {A|~A}, the partition is empty, 0, A is a unit, ~A is a complex unit, so we see 2. So, onward via von Neumann’s construction, the counting numbers N. Thence, Z, Q, R, C, R* etc in any w. This is what gives core Mathematics its universal power.

10: The basic credibility of the design inference: of course, we routinely recognise that many things show reliable signs of intelligently directed configuration as key cause, i.e. design. For example, objectors to the design inference often issue copious, complex text in English, beyond 500 to 1,000 bits of complexity. In the 70’s Orgel and Wicken identified a distinct and quantifiable phenomenon, functionally specific, complex organisation and/or associated information, which I often abbreviate FSCO/I. Organisation is there as things like a fishing reel [my favourite, e.g. the ABU 6500 CT] or a watch [Paley, do not overlook his self replicating watch thought exercise in Ch 2]

or an oil refinery or a computer program [including machine code]

Petroleum refinery block diagram illustrating FSCO/I in a process-flow system

or the cell’s metabolic process-flow network [including protein synthesis]

[with:]

Step by step protein synthesis in action, in the ribosome, based on the sequence of codes in the mRNA control tape (Courtesy, Wikipedia and LadyofHats)

[and:]

all can be described in a suitably compact string of Y/N questions, structured through description languages such as AutoCAD. The inference posits that, with trillions of cases under our belt, reliably, FSCO/I or its generalisation, CSI, will be signs of design as key cause. The controversies, as may be readily seen, are not for want of evidence or inability to define or quantify, but because this challenges the dominant evolutionary materialism and fellow travellers. Which, of course, long since failed through irretrievable self referential incoherence.
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So, challenge: let SG and/or others show where the above fails to be rational and responsible, if they can__________________ Prediction, aside from mere disagreement and/or dismissiveness, assertions, or the trifecta fallacy of red herrings, led away to strawmen soaked in ad hominems and set alight to cloud, confuse, poison and polarise the atmosphere, they will not be able to sustain a case for general failure to be rational and responsible.]]

The good argument challenge is duly open for response. END

U/D, Nov 4: As it seems certain objectors want to attack the descriptive metaphor, islands of function amidst seas of non function, let me put up here a couple of infographics I used some years ago to discuss this concept. But first, as the primary contexts have to do with protein synthesis and OoL, let me first put up Vuk Nicolic’s video illustrating just what is required for protein synthesis:

. . . and Dr James Tour’s summary presentation on OoL synthesis challenges:

Now, this is my framework for discussing islands of function:

. . . and, on associated active information:

Thus, we can discuss the Orgel-Wicken functionally specific, complex organisation and associated information concept, FSCO/I, similarly:

We see here the needle in a haystack, blind search challenge and how it is dominated by not the hill climbing on fitness functions that is commonly discussed but by the issue of arriving at shorelines of first function. Obviously and primarily, for origin of cell based life [cf. Tour] but also to move from that first unicellular body plan to others. Where, we can observe too that even within an island of function, incremental changes will be challenged by intervening valleys, tending to trap on a given peak or plateau.

But, what of the thesis, that there is in effect a readily accessible first functionality, incrementally connected to all major body plans, allowing unlimited, branching tree of life body plan level macro evolution?

The Smithsonian’s tree of life model, note the root in OOL

Obviously, this architecture implies such continuity. The first problem, obviously is the root and the plethora of speculations and debatable or even dubious syntheses that have been made into icons of the grand evolutionary narrative and taught as effective fact, already tell us something is wrong. A second clue is how the diagram itself implies that transitional forms should utterly dominate the space, with terminal tips being far less common. On basic statistics, we should then expect an abundance of these transitions or “links.” The phrase, missing link, tells the tale instead.

For, the trade secret of paleontology, is the utter rarity of such forms, to the point where punctuated equilibria was a major school intended to explain that general absence. Where, Darwin, notoriously, noted the gaps but expected and predicted that on wider investigations they would go away. But now, after 150 years of searching, billions of fossils seen in situ, millions in museum back office drawers [only a relative few can be displayed] and over a quarter of a million fossil species, the pattern of gaps is very much still here, hot denials and dismissals notwithstanding. That is especially true of the Cambrian fossil life form revolution, where the major current body plans for animals pop up with nary an intermediate. So much so, that there have been significant efforts to make it disappear, obfuscating its significance.

We also have molecular islands of function, starting with protein fold domains. Thousands, scattered across the AA sequence space, no easy path connecting them. Even just homochirality soon accumulates into a serious search space challenge as molecules are complex and mirror image handedness is not energetically enforced, why racemic forms, 50-50 mixes of left and right handed molecules are what we tend to get in lab syntheses. This then gets more complicated where there are multiple isomers as Tour discusses.

In short, a real issue not a readily dismissible notion without significant empirical support.

And so forth.

U/D2 Nov 4: I just found where I had an image from p. 11 NFL, so observe:

ID researcher William A Dembski, NFL, p.11 on possibilities, target zones and events

Where, we can further illustrate the beach of function issue:

And, some remarks:

U/D 3 Nov 7: The all-revealing Eugenics Conference Logo from 1912 and 1921 showing how it was seen as a capstone of ever so many sciences and respected domains of knowledge, especially statistics, genetics, biology and medicine, even drawing on religion, with, politics, law, education, psychology, mental testing and sociology . . . menacingly . . . also being in the roots:

“Eugenics is the self-direction of human evolution”: Logo from the Second International Eugenics Conference, 1921, depicting Eugenics as a tree which unites a variety of different fields.

U/D 4, Nov 10: A reminder on cosmological fine tuning, from Luke Barnes:

Barnes: “What if we tweaked just two of the fundamental constants? This figure shows what the universe would look like if the strength of the strong nuclear force (which holds atoms together) and the value of the fine-structure constant (which represents the strength of the electromagnetic force between elementary particles) were higher or lower than they are in this universe. The small, white sliver represents where life can use all the complexity of chemistry and the energy of stars. Within that region, the small “x” marks the spot where those constants are set in our own universe.” (HT: New Atlantis)

U/D 5, Nov 12: As there is dismissiveness of the textual, coded information stored in DNA, it is necessary to show here a page clip from Lehninger, as a case in point of what should not even be a debated point:

For record.

U/D 6, Nov 14: The per aspect design inference explanatory filter shows how right in the core design inference, alternative candidate causes and their observational characteristics are highlighted:

Explanatory Filter

Again, for record.

Comments
KF, it is not even implied that anyone here is stupid, insane, or wicked, although all of us are ignorant to a degree about everything we talk about here. However, we do that others, including you, are wrong about some major things., and that's different than what we are being accused of. In addition, you have some communication habits that are poor, and you often are hyperbolic, exaggerate and/or read into statements more than is there. Those are also not ignorant, stupid, insane, or wicked, , either explicitly or implicitly, but they don't lead to constructive discussions. Your biggest flaw, it seems to me, is that you pretty thoroughly think that anyone who disagrees with your perspective is wrong (the implication being that you are right), and that everyone else is hyper-skeptical and all the other numerous derogatory adjectives you use to dismiss the views of people who disagree with you. This also is not ignorant, stupid, insane, or wicked, either explicitly or implicitly.Viola Lee
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Other objectors who tried to pile on, ponder what you have now exposed about yourselves. KF PS, VL, did you pause to note the shortly following "Rarely, explicitly, most often by implication of a far too commonly seen no concessions, selectively hyperskeptical policy that objectors to design too often manifest"? Kindly compare what has played out in this thread and reconsider.kairosfocus
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AF, you continue to simply demonstrate the Dawkins no concessions policy of hyperskeptical contempt that you and others seem reluctant to openly acknowledge; as was predicted in the OP. Meanwhile, to type an objection in English you did not punch keys at random or toss coins and assign ASCII characters, nor did you use a stuck key. You were constrained by rules of intelligible English even as you were free to compose, an island of function in a vast sea of possibilities. In 78, ignoring your clip, you typed 265 ASCII characters at 7 bits effective per character, 1855 bits of a string data structure. The config space implied by 2^1855 is vastly beyond the blind chance and mechanical search capacity of our sol system or observed cosmos and more than justifies, island of function. BTW, as a baseline, an information metric is 1855 bits, or using the simple X metric, as text in English, functionally specific, S = 1. Then, 1855*1 - 500 = 1355 bits beyond sol system search capacity, 855 beyond observed cosmos capacity. Thus, reliably from intelligently directed configuration. Of course, at this stage, you are not interacting responsibly, this is just for record that exposes the sad hyperskeptical game that has been going on for far too long. KFkairosfocus
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Viola Lee: Hmmm. I don’t recall anyone here ever invoking it. I’m hyper-skeptical. You're in the naughty corner as well. Help yourself to tea or coffee. The popcorn will be here soon.JVL
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First sentence of the OP: "Dawkins’ barbed blanket dismissiveness comes up far too often in discussions of the design inference." Hmmm. I don't recall anyone here ever invoking it. I'm hyper-skeptical.Viola Lee
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Relatd: When arrows called ‘contradictory to evolution’ begin raining down on your position, you retreat behind your barricade. Well, if you think I've avoided addressing a particular arrow then tell me what it is and I'll have a go.JVL
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Sir Giles: you know full well that a turnabout projection is an evasion not an argument. Zero concession, insubstantial dismissiveness. You are bluffing and you know it. You are erecting strawmen soaked in oil of red herring and setting them ablaze with toxic distractors. ? Was I? Wow. And I hadn't even charged the batteries yet. I love the smell of burning herring. It smells . . . like victory.JVL
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JVL at 83, When arrows called 'contradictory to evolution' begin raining down on your position, you retreat behind your barricade. Then, a short time later, you emerge - as always - to once again shout nonsense to the enemy on the other side. Your assignment here is apparently to last forever. Perhaps longer...relatd
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JVL: Oh dear, we’ve been naughty; we scared Jerry away by pointing out some obvious home truths. We might have to sit in the naughty corner.
JVL, you know full well that a turnabout projection is an evasion not an argument. Zero concession, insubstantial dismissiveness. You are bluffing and you know it. You are erecting strawmen soaked in oil of red herring and setting them ablaze with toxic distractors. :)Sir Giles
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Relatd: A few small animals have jumped on the back of a very large creature. They will be shaken off shortly – as always. Uh huh. When is this . . . event going to happen?JVL
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JVL at 81, A few small animals have jumped on the back of a very large creature. They will be shaken off shortly - as always.relatd
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Sir Giles & Alan Fox: Oh dear, we've been naughty; we scared Jerry away by pointing out some obvious home truths. We might have to sit in the naughty corner.JVL
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Jerry: So what are his bad ideas [based on unproven premises]?
=Islands of function. =self-evident truths =objective moral values =first duties =FSCO/I =DNA is a designed code =almost everything he claims is a step closer to the cliff. =widespread organized election fraud =gun control There are more, but this is a good start.Sir Giles
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KF’s use of “islands of function” is fundamentally flawed. He is using it as a probability exercise based on attaining a specific goal. If this was how evolution worked, he would have a valid point. But nobody is suggesting that evolution is goal driven. Another way to look at it would be to step back a few hundred years and try to calculate the probability of KF living on an island in 2022. The probability of this happening would be astronomically small. According to KF’s logic, he does not exist. Clearly an absurd claim based on a false premise. As is KF’s “islands of function” claim.Sir Giles
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AF, you are simply repeating objections that have been repeatedly adequately answered. Indeed, some of that is in the OP.
Repeatedly, I grant you. Adequately? Come off it! Needle in haystack? Islands of function? DNA a laguage? FSCO/I explanation on what it is and how it can be calculated? That's just a few things that have been raised with you, to which you have inadequately respondeDAlan Fox
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AF, you are simply repeating objections that have been repeatedly adequately answered. Indeed, some of that is in the OP. KFkairosfocus
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We might as well throw away our shoes, climb back into the trees and mate with every female we can catch.
At my age, that won't be many!Alan Fox
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Jerry:
Maybe there is an opportunity to move on...
You could explain CSI, perhaps. How to calculate it. Latest developments in "Intelligent Design"? Don't complain and then leave it to others. People might think you don't have anything positive to contribute.Alan Fox
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Jerry: By obsessing and inaccurately focusingon one out of hundreds to try to undermine Kf, they have just validated his convoluted style. Maybe there is an opportunity to move on as the fools talk with each other. Too funny. You're the one who asked a question which I responded to listing several arguments I found lacking. You chose to respond to just one of those and then Kairosfocus stepped in and that's what we've been discussing. You're the one who hasn't (as of yet) responding to the other things I said. But you've conveniently forgotten that.JVL
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I think it best to let KF respond to this
The skeptics have just validated Kf’s arguments. By obsessing and inaccurately focusing on one out of hundreds of arguments to try to undermine Kf, they have just validated his convoluted style. Maybe there is an opportunity to move on as the fools talk with each other.jerry
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Alan Fox: It beats me why objectors to evolutionary theory never seem to attack this huge target. Because humans are special and created by the designer! Geeze, Alan, it's like you've not been paying attention at all!! If you're just an accident, a byproduct of bajillions years of chemistry and physics then what's the point? We might as well throw away our shoes, climb back into the trees and mate with every female we can catch.JVL
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JVL
...all life on Earth is part of the same, contiguous area of function...
It beats me why objectors to evolutionary theory never seem to attack this huge target. Universal Common Descent entails the concept that there is a continuous line of descent from the last universal common ancestor to each and every organism that ever lived since.Alan Fox
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Alan Fox: I almost mentioned the Texas sharpshooter fallacy. Left it out as KF can be a bit of a delicate flower. That was kind of you. I'm sure he'll appreciate the concern. He's always so appreciative of the efforts we make to explain unguided evolutionary theory in a non-specialist fashion. I'm sure he'll tell you himself in just a few minutes. You, I guarantee, will not to wander the whole beach before you stumble upon some pebble that is good enough. Unless you are like one of my co-villagers who has a vast collection of vaguely heart-shaped stones in their front garden!JVL
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And life has spent billions of years exploring that area of function.
Metaphorically speaking. :) I think of it as sorting, rather than searching. If you find yourself on a pebble beach, and you want a particular pebble, the right size, shape, colour, hardness (though all pebbles are hard, otherwise... sorry), you might glance down and select one within reach. You can hang on to it till you find another with a better match for your requirements. You, I guarantee, will not need to wander the whole beach before you stumble upon some pebble that is good enough. And sorting happens. Chesil beach on the South of EnglandAlan Fox
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@ JVL I almost mentioned the Texas sharpshooter fallacy. Left it out as KF can be a bit of a delicate flower.Alan Fox
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Alan Fox: Why on Earth should there only be one needle, one unique sequence with a function? And why must it be found, springing fully forth etc? Does a search need to be exhaustive, or can functions be good enough till something better turns up? IF you believe, as many ID proponents do, that there is a cause and a purpose for creation and, thereby humans then there is a target, a goal to get to. If you have a target, like a bullseye, then you have areas, away from the board, that are essentially no score areas. However, if there was/is no goal, if life started out very simply, reproduced with variations (some of which died, which were non-functional) then what you get is a large, contiguous area of function. And life has spent billions of years exploring that area of function. There is no 'random' search. Each surviving variation is a small change from what went before. Like water flowing into a maze. It finds the places it can go by sacrificing a lot of bad variations.JVL
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Kairosfocus: Instead, what we have is the imposed supposition that complex multi part function is readily, incrementally arrived at by degrees without intelligently directed configuration [so, by blind chance and mechanical necessity needle in haystack searches arriving at shorelines of function leading to hill climbing], which runs so counter to common experience that it is noteworthy. I put it to you that on the contrary to your suggestion, the common suggestion by objectors reflects crooked yardstick thinking in the teeth or readily confirmed empirical evidence. When someone just doubles down on their previous arguments and starts stamping their feet (why don't you agree with my argument) and, on top of that, starts accusing those who disagree with them of not being able to think properly . . . then, they've run out of reasons to support their view. Did it ever occur to you that your constant analogy (living objects are like complicated inanimate objects) is pretty poor? Just think about all the things living objects do that inanimate objects don't: Living objects start off in an embryonic state, develop and mature, sometimes radically altering their physiology along the way. All living object respire and 'eat' and excrete. Yes, some inanimate object consume and excrete (like a internal combustion engine) but many do not. Living objects create offsprings of themselves (and sometimes a mate) which are not identical to their parent(s) thereby introducing variations into the population some of which die immediately, some of which convey advantages to the individuals that have them, some of which are neutral AND, most importantly . . . for various reasons some get 'fixed' into the population so that future generations end up tending to have that variation. Inanimate objects don't do that. Living objects can, to greater and lesser extents, repair damage to themselves. Your infamous fishing reel can't do that or any of the other things I just mentioned. You cannot compare a complicated inanimate object to a complicated living object and say: look, see, they both have lots of bits that have to work together and if something goes wrong then they're dead so all this stuff about variations just takes you off your island and into areas of non-functions. Living systems do not work that way. The really bad variations do die in an area of non-function. But the survivors are in an area of function. And slowly, step-by-step, they literally, explore the edges of their area of function. So, if universal descent is true (you just assume it's not by focusing on the life forms you see now) then all life on Earth is part of the same, contiguous area of function. That's the thing you have to argue against using something other than very limited analogies and metaphors. Please note: I do expect you to do the exact same thing you've always done when someone confronts one of your pet ideas. Assuming that is the case then please don't waste time doing it again. I have read your posts over and over and over again for years and years. I know what you think. And I disagree with you and I think the biological evidence upholds my disagreement.JVL
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I added an update on the specific matter that allows me to bring to the table video and image elements that are otherwise not accessible because of UD’s high security settings.
Shorter KF. Posting images is not enabled for comments. Nothing to stop anyone linking to material hosted elsewhere. I don't watch videos as a rule, too tedious, and I doubt many others do either.Alan Fox
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...the proposed mechanisms of macro evolution (sic) are in fact blind search...
Proposed by whom? Macroevolution is a concept in palaeontology (and much abused by Creationists). Evolutionary processes explain change over time. No additional processes are needed to explain large cumulative changes over long periods of time.Alan Fox
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...you just admitted the point regarding islands of function...
Quote me, then. Iv'e either misspoken or you have misread.Alan Fox
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